Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[MetalSnakeXI1]

Joined a levelling roulette on my 67 RDM. We got the Vault. PLD tank, AST healer, SAM dps.

I guess of the fault was mine for seeing that the AST, synced at 58 with the rest of us... only had 3.7k health. Well, on the first pull of trash mobs, the PLD dies, while the healer just stood there. After we all died, she said;

"Can you guys kick me? I forgot to get my gear repaired after it broke."

To cut to the chase, the AST left, the PLD also left, then we got replacements in the form of a WHM and another PLD, and the run went fairly smoothly, even with the RDM not watching where they were displacing to and pulling the next pack of mobs by accident...

..cough. Anyway, I found it a bit ironic that I have all DoL/DoH at 70, and I couldn't fix the AST's gear...

I had something very similar happened when I got Ala Mhigo for my level 70 dungeon roullette a while ago.

an RDM lalafell asked us to kick him because he "queued to this dungeon by mistake".

How does someone even queue to a very specific instance by mistake?Cuz he could withdraw before clicking ok on the queue when it pops up xD

[MetalSnakeXI1]

Awhile ago i was doing alliance raid roulette and got world of darkness. Immediately on the first pull of trash i ended up dying. No tank was doing their job (Like usual in alliance raids). And i said in party chat "Tank? Do your job?"

And then i was met with snarky responses like "Diversion, use it." Okay sure, i can use diversion but that's no excuse for 3 tanks to not be in tank stance and not doing their jobs.

Then on the first boss i ended up dying to doom and i said to the healer "Esuna?"

And yes i know i was wrong now, you can't esuna it off you have to stand on the platform. But it had been awhile since i had done that fight, so i screwed up and was at fault.

But then i was met with snarky remarks again like "You have level 70 healers and you don't know what can and can't be esuna'd off?"

Afterwards i ended up getting kicked.

Not going to lie it pissed me off. Sure i was wrong about the Esuna thing, but you don't have to come off like a total jerk about it.

To be honest i think i was grouped up with a group of friends. Because they were quite toxic and all jumped on me together.

I'm far from perfect and make a lot of mistakes. But there really is no reason to group on someone and berate them.

Overall the community is good for the most part. I don't have tons of bad experiences like that, but i do have a few. I posted one earlier about a stubborn healer who wouldn't dps.

If i can remember another one i will post again with another bad experience, or maybe a future experience waiting to happen.

there there *lala hug*. you did your best.

we all make mistakes like this from time to time.Even the best ultimate clearing players makes mistakes,we're human after all.

And tbh, this mistake didn't deserve an outright kick cuz after Angra Manyu the other bosses are relatively easier in terms of handling debuffs so as a DPS you never really dragged the party down compared to the jerk tanks who didn't bother to go into tank stance just for their oh so precious "parse numbers"


I hate how people jump so easily on any vote kick/abandon that comes their way without thinking of the consequences or why it was initiated in the first place.People should pay a bit more attention to both what's happening in chat and in-game before judging they should go with the initiated vote kick or not

They did in 1.0 but got rid of it in 2.0 release cant remember why

If i remember correctly(and i could be wrong cuz i heard that from someone since i never played 1.0) it's because people were spamming people with crafting classes inside dungeons to repair their gear almost constantly,people complained about this and it resulted in them removing the ability to repair the gear of anyone beside yourself if you're inside an instance

[kidalutz]

hrrrm okay so we'll start with a little bit about myself. I love trying new things tanking is something new for me so I picked it up and kept trying really really hard to do a decent job.

Okay so... After my I wanna say 8th run or so of chaos I finally had enough confidence to try my hand main tanking (That and the other tank didnt seem eager at all to even switch to a tanking stance. )Any event. So we pull and pass it in one go when the run ends I'm getting chewed out for positioning saying that such and such couldn't get positionals (we had no monk and dragoons positional's are at the sides.) The other tank who died eating AoE twice because they didnt want to move started chiming in with yeah that was sloppy tanking etc etc at that point I just clicked the exit button and left confidence tattered and really not having the urge to touch the game the rest of that day. Today I logged in and decided to stay in sword stance for the rest of the PuG runs I got to do to get geared up. Or just heal from this point on. I dunno..

[Aramina]

Awhile ago i was doing alliance raid roulette and got world of darkness. Immediately on the first pull of trash i ended up dying. No tank was doing their job (Like usual in alliance raids). And i said in party chat "Tank? Do your job?"

And then i was met with snarky responses like "Diversion, use it." Okay sure, i can use diversion but that's no excuse for 3 tanks to not be in tank stance and not doing their jobs.

Then on the first boss i ended up dying to doom and i said to the healer "Esuna?"

And yes i know i was wrong now, you can't esuna it off you have to stand on the platform. But it had been awhile since i had done that fight, so i screwed up and was at fault.

But then i was met with snarky remarks again like "You have level 70 healers and you don't know what can and can't be esuna'd off?"

Afterwards i ended up getting kicked.

Not going to lie it pissed me off. Sure i was wrong about the Esuna thing, but you don't have to come off like a total jerk about it.

To be honest i think i was grouped up with a group of friends. Because they were quite toxic and all jumped on me together.

I'm far from perfect and make a lot of mistakes. But there really is no reason to group on someone and berate them.

Overall the community is good for the most part. I don't have tons of bad experiences like that, but i do have a few. I posted one earlier about a stubborn healer who wouldn't dps.

If i can remember another one i will post again with another bad experience, or maybe a future experience waiting to happen.

Sorry you got removed, but maybe in the future try not to start with the snarks yourself. You got snarky with the tanks (right or wrong), you shouldn't be shocked that you got it back later.

[ArianeEwah]

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Your co-tank had no right to make a fuss about your tanking skills when they can't even dodge an AoE. There is literaly zero reason to stand still - as a tank - long enough to get hit by AoE.
You - as PLD - are better suited as support OT, but lack snap aggro for pulling. What job were they, why didn't they pull themselves?
Don't let this pull you down. I bet they were just salty because they died of own misplay and were trying to blame you instead. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Your first priority is to get comfortable with (main) tanking - holding aggro and surviving/helping healers by using defensive CDs. THEN you get into proper positioning, and after that tanking in DPS stance with a more optimal rotation. Rotation is important, but useless if you focus on it too hard and forget your defense and enmity. Positioning is fine as long as about half of the boss (half front, flank, half back) is free to attack. It's important for ALL melees - no exception.

Btw you should meld +25 STR into your accessories, they are best melds you can get for them. Any other melds are inferior by a large margin - cannot be overmelded tho. Helps you to hold aggro and to dps higher. (unless you get better accessories soon, save your money then)

PS: Dragoons DO have rear positionals with Chaos Thrust and Wheeling Thrust.

PPS: Did this rdn tank wear a crown by any chance?

[Allegor]

How does someone even queue to a very specific instance by mistake?Cuz he could withdraw before clicking ok on the queue when it pops up xD

This actually happened to me a few more times than I'd like to admit....wooooops....I always just accept though, declining a queue makes me feel bad.

[HyoMinPark]

Awhile ago i was doing alliance raid roulette and got world of darkness. Immediately on the first pull of trash i ended up dying. No tank was doing their job (Like usual in alliance raids). And i said in party chat "Tank? Do your job?"

And then i was met with snarky responses like "Diversion, use it." Okay sure, i can use diversion but that's no excuse for 3 tanks to not be in tank stance and not doing their jobs.

Then on the first boss i ended up dying to doom and i said to the healer "Esuna?"

And yes i know i was wrong now, you can't esuna it off you have to stand on the platform. But it had been awhile since i had done that fight, so i screwed up and was at fault.

But then i was met with snarky remarks again like "You have level 70 healers and you don't know what can and can't be esuna'd off?"

Afterwards i ended up getting kicked.

Not going to lie it pissed me off. Sure i was wrong about the Esuna thing, but you don't have to come off like a total jerk about it.

To be honest i think i was grouped up with a group of friends. Because they were quite toxic and all jumped on me together.

I'm far from perfect and make a lot of mistakes. But there really is no reason to group on someone and berate them.

Overall the community is good for the most part. I don't have tons of bad experiences like that, but i do have a few. I posted one earlier about a stubborn healer who wouldn't dps.

If i can remember another one i will post again with another bad experience, or maybe a future experience waiting to happen.

While I’m sorry that you got kicked, you should honestly be using Diversion as a DPS. I would not be happy to see a comment such as the one you made in chat if you aren’t also doing your job, which including managing enmity. That’s why the developers gave everyone enmity tools. There’s literally no reason not to use it.

Even if the tanks weren’t in tank stance, why are you not pressing a free button?

Did you expect all three of them to be in a tank stance? There’s no point of that in a level 50 raid, because aggro will be bouncing everywhere, especially if you have PLDs, which only have their aggro combo at level 50—only the MT should be in a stance, and if they weren’t, you can hold bosses just fine in a DPS stance as a tank if your DPS manage their enmity.

Enmity is not just a tank’s responsibility.


This reminds me of a BLM I had in an Orbonne run last night. He was doing sub-3,000 DPS (literally the tanks and healers were out-damaging him in most instances), but kept ripping aggro from the MT because they refused to hit Diversion/Lucid. When told “use Diversion/Lucid” after dying in Agrias to the tank cleave (lol), they actually used both at the same time... during TGC... where it doesn’t matter because TGC always autos the tank in each alliance... Never used it again.

But, this also goes to show that high enmity =/= high DPS.

[Aosha]

(we had no monk and dragoons positional's are at the sides.)

Just to clarify:
Dragoon DOES have back positionals, equally as many as side.
Samurai and Ninja also have positionals, it's not just a MNK/DRG thing. Ninja specifically has Trick Attack as a back positional, which is absolutely the most important positional to hit in the entire game.

[Bright-Flower]

I had something very similar happened when I got Ala Mhigo for my level 70 dungeon roullette a while ago.

an RDM lalafell asked us to kick him because he "queued to this dungeon by mistake".

How does someone even queue to a very specific instance by mistake?Cuz he could withdraw before clicking ok on the queue when it pops up xD

I've actually done this before. It's fairly easy to check a second duty and forget to uncheck the first one and then queue in without realizing it sometimes.

[Anselmet]

Okay so I did my raid clear for the week to get my coin and man... that was a run. I have never met such an arrogant rdm that was so unhelpful that they thought they were above the shitshow. Let me explain, I was on my red mage which the majority of its gear is 380 cept its body piece at 400 and a upgraded crafted weapon. I was second in dps to this red mage who had all 400 pieces with a seiryuu weapon. They did out damage me a fair bit, but that is expected with the gear difference and most in my party were about as geared as me and were just behind me in dps. So they weren't overall bad seeing how one was a bard and the other a ninja and I can't remember the other melee. But this dude, all he did was dps and did nothing else. During the second boss our group got bound in the crystals. Myself, two other dps, and a healer were not released because the other alliance sort of did one half of the room and didn't bother with us. Our champ of a red mage was standing literally right in front of us and did not even bother to get us out. We all die. Then, the poor alive healer had to rez us all. Not one rez came out of the other red mage, not even when the dps check adds came out. The kicker? When we wipe the red mage is all like, where was everyone it was only me and the tank at C. I comment that its hard to kill an add when all the dps is dead. We go again and we clear with almost the same thing happening again to the prism cages, but we got lucky and the other alliance was nice enough to break us out.

On the thunder god, yikes. People are dying left and right on the other alliance including ours. I was wise and moved from the group whenever crush helm came out and it proceeded to nuke our party leaving one healer alive, our tank, myself, and of course the other red mage. I quickly help get everyone back up. No biggie. Then the adds come out. People do not dodge the aoe and get the debuff and die. Myself and the redmage are still alive, I rez the tank, the healer and I'm dead. Healer and tank get a hold of add but there was little mana to get dps up. (but I think healer got the other healer up tbh) Red mage doesn't manashift or anything. Other alliances come but we wipe due to our add. Second time is the charm with all the same issues persisting but instead of our group being the ones who die to their add, we are one of the ones frantically killing the remaining one. This is when the red mage starts asking if anyone is new. We all say no and I point out that a little help in getting people up would be nice.

Last boss. Red mage is still just dps'ing and this is when everything goes to hell. By the time we get to the phase with the dome and healing check. Both healers are dead and the tank plus the ninja is dead. I proceed to get both healers up and I give the one that is more competent my remaining mana and the bard nicely does her little mana regen. We get past the healing check and on to the worse part of the raid. No one, and I do mean no one is getting the adds that come from the sky. I try to get them and often die to the attack. We wipe twice before people get the idea to help out. But during those times, the healers are literally rezing each other and the red mage is not doing anything to help. On our last try, I ask if the red mage would mind helping out? And I asked the bard if they would mind doing some party buffs. The bard is on it the red mage is not on board. I die probably twice during the last pull but my god the healers and the tank could not stay alive and same with the other groups. The ice things that come out were just killing everyone and I ended up rez'ing a healer from another group so they could get their ppl up. (Something I honestly was doing in other fights) But eventually we hobble to the finish line with like 30 mins remaining.

Then we get a long speech from the red mage telling us that we need to watch a video before coming in here. I quickly pointed out that there was at least three times if they would have rez'd ppl we wouldn't have wiped. And then I got the 'or I could learn to play'. I actually got so mad I had to walk away from keyboard. I still got 4 comms tho. Like woo nice your dps was an addition to our party but it doesn't mean anything if we're restarting the fight bc you can't be bothered to weave a rez to get a healer up. Like sometimes I love red mages, but when I don't... I really don't...

EDIT: I also want to point out in the last fight this red mage did die a few times. So its not like they perfectly did mechanics the whole time. And I know I rez'd him after not doing crush helm correctly on one of our pulls.