Genderlock reminder to SE

[Lihtleita]

That poll is biased though

if anyone on team genderlock wants to make a super un-biased impartial mega poll ill gladly respond to that. but for now this is the best guestimate we have

[Lilseph]

if anyone on team genderlock wants to make a super un-biased impartial mega poll ill gladly respond to that. but for now this is the best guestimate we have

I don't think they care enough to do such thing and no, it's not the best we have, it's the only one we have. Which can be disregarded because of how biased it is.

[Nora_of_Mira]

if anyone on team genderlock wants to make a super un-biased impartial mega poll ill gladly respond to that. but for now this is the best guestimate we have

Maybe not the majority, but a large enough number to be significant at least.

to me, this seems like a 'false dilemma fallacy'. When we're thinking its an "either/or" simply because there is no other option. but in reality, the only option is deceptive [this poll] and a better, less biased option should be pursued [doesn't exist at this time].

More options is good for everyone. The only people who vocally support a genderlock are doing so out of pettiness, because they know people want something they don't care about and want to trash it. :v

I don't care about the genderlock but I'm probably borderline supporting it because I have no interest in male viera or hrothgars in their entirety. It's not out of petty, it's just not an interest of mine. I care more about memorable, engaging combat encounters, job balancing, and diverse equipment models.

[Lacan]

I don't care about the genderlock but I'm probably borderline supporting it because I have no interest in male viera or hrothgars in their entirety. It's not out of petty, it's just not an interest of mine. I care more about memorable, engaging combat encounters, job balancing, and diverse equipment models.

Sounds like pettiness to me. You want to disregard what other people are requesting just because it doesn't personally interest you. You're putting your personal wants above theirs.

[Nora_of_Mira]

Sounds like pettiness to me. You want to disregard what other people are requesting just because it doesn't personally interest you. You're putting your personal wants above theirs.

let me start a thread on my interests and start calling anyone who disagrees with me "petty" because my thread doesn't personally interest them.

wanting the genderlock removed is putting your personal wants above mine.

we are all FFxiv's players.

[Lacan]

let me start a thread on my interests and start calling anyone who disagrees with me "petty" because my thread doesn't personally interest them.

wanting the genderlock removed is putting your personal wants above mine.

we are all FFxiv's players.

No one asking for the genderlock to be removed is asking for the things you care about to be neglected though. You're just assuming that would happen, but we have no reason to believe it would.

[WaterShield]

No one asking for the genderlock to be removed is asking for the things you care about to be neglected though. You're just assuming that would happen, but we have no reason to believe it would.

I wasn't aware Square was allocating an infinite budget to this project. The more you know.

"but we have no reason to believe it would"

Well..... see the above. Making things costs money. Assuming their budget has a limit. Doing something with the money means it can't be spent on something else.

[Nora_of_Mira]

No one asking for the genderlock to be removed is asking for the things you care about to be neglected though. You're just assuming that would happen, but we have no reason to believe it would.

actually, we do. Listen to the reasons why Yoshi said we don't have both gendered races ready for Shadowbringers. He said "there wasnt enough time to add everything" [paraphrasing, there were many interviews about this] . we can then infer it takes quite an effort to develop the models, animations, assets, character creation, equipment models...etc.

So yes, I do think we have reason to believe this will take away dev time from other projects they have planned for Shadowbringers. Removing genderlock is not like flipping a switch, its literally creating 2 new character models.

[Lacan]

actually, we do. Listen to the reasons why Yoshi said we don't have both gendered races ready for Shadowbringers. He said "there wasnt enough time to add everything" [paraphrasing, there were many interviews about this] . we can then infer it takes quite an effort to develop the models, animations, assets, character creation, equipment models...etc.

So yes, I do think we have reason to believe this will take away dev time from other projects they have planned for Shadowbringers. Removing genderlock is not like flipping a switch, its literally creating 2 new character models.

Or SE could allocate more budget/staff to the project so that Yoshi could do it without impacting the rest of the project. That would be the ideal solution here. We're hoping that the fan outcry will let Yoshi request the additional resources from SE. We're not expecting them to cancel other parts of the game to remove the genderlocks. That's just silly.

[NYCAcimStudent]

Gender locking in and of itself is fine if it is lore-based. For an analogy, I hardly see people complaining that Amazons are specifically portrayed as female.

If anything, SE really screwed up with making FEMALE Roes! The moment they did that, they permanently lost the "lore" argument and I can see why people are pissed about the Viera and Hrothgar being gender locked. It turns SE into big hypocrites. Though frankly, Square Enix lost the lore argument over more than just gender locking (SMN job identity, I'm looking at you!)

I only ask that people not be obnoxious about their desire to remove gender locking. Being a huge jerk immediately dismantles any argument that #GenderExit crowd might have.


P.S. The excuse about SE not having the time or resources to do more than 1 gender is nonsense. They make plenty of revenue from subscription fees. Since they choose to allocate funds away from FFXIV, it is 100% their own fault that they have a lack of resources and the forums will let them know it!