Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Anselmet]

Yes, hi, pre-order cancelled, not renewing subscription person here.
You guys need to stop acting like people who think this is sexist, or people who are going to unsubscribe, are such blemishes on this debate. People who come in here and bring people like me up as a reason why this request is unreasonable are stawmanning. Stop getting up in arms and trying to fight them off every time they show up here - ignore and move on.

My point to Aces, and as were my previous posts to him and those coming in here, is that they are pinning that as the sole attitude of this thread. It is not. There is another dedicated thread where people encourage their outrage. I am pointing out that they are strawmanning the majority of this thread's community to be a bunch of whiners when the point of this thread is discussing male viera ideas and giving them support. I'm basically baiting for laughs from those who remember that he came in here telling us that Female Viera and Male Hrothgar should be scrapped for voicing male viera positivity along with calling us a minority that if we are 'pandered to' will spark the end of ffxiv like wow. It was for a chuckle, because anyone who has followed this thread knows that his claims have nothing to stand on.

[Senn]

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I would also like to see an official announcement. It doesn't have to be an immediate response, but I would really like to know how SE is taking the feedback.

[Lauront]

I think they would be similar in width / thickness as the current female viera. Maybe a little wider or thicker to account for muscles but I doubt they would be thin or scrawny like Omega M. I'm also not a fan of Omega M's body shape. I think the devs SHOULD implement male veria / female hrothgar, but I think it should be as they envision them and not us. Whether that's super buff guys, scrawny guys, or w/e they think fits. Will I be happy with their design? Maybe. They'll at least be in the game tho (I would like male Au Ra's that are only slightly higher than female Au Ra cause I don't like to be that tall. Even tho I would consider Hrothgar.)

Agreed and barring them doing something like making them "Young Alphinaud", or smaller than the females, both of which I doubt they'd do, I'd accept their design choice. Whether I'd play it would depend on how good it looked.

[Senn]

I'd accept their design choice.

Yeah, at the end of the day, I think most of us will be ok with whatever they design, because we'd rather have male viera than nothing.

[VyelChuChu]

I think a lot of the current male models could bring really unique features to the viera! Also, remember, SE might be able to do more mix and matching than we think! We don't know all the in's and out's of their programs, models or rigs!

For example? The other day, purely out of curiosity, I hopped on my male roegadyn and compared his model to the hrothgar in the showcase video. I cycled through some similar animations and the like, right? And I can totally believe SE used the roegadyn model as a base. But I ALSO noticed they definitely did a bit of nip and tuck! The two biggest things were that the hrothgar torso's look shortened and their shoulders appear widened (they don't slope down as much as roegadyn's).

Point is, no matter what model or skeleton based rig they use, they can build upon it! Omega's, elezen's, etc etc. Not to mention that the dev team apparently have more body type customization in mind for the future!

[Acesfool]

You're welcome to stay. I haven't been reading any of your posts, but if you want to explain why you don't want to see male viera in the game, go for it.

Correction. I don't care if they add male viera or not. My point has always been that anyone who is willing to unsub just because they're not getting male viera didn't really like FFXIV to begin with and is looking for an excuse to quit. There isn't a single thing, besides glamours, that they can't do in the game without being a male viera. So I'm hoping SE sticks to their guns and calls their bluff.

[Lauront]

Correction. I don't care if they add male viera or not. My point has always been that anyone who is willing to unsub just because they're not getting male viera didn't really like FFXIV to begin with and is looking for an excuse to quit. There isn't a single thing, besides glamours, that they can't do in the game without being a male viera. So I'm hoping SE sticks to their guns and calls their bluff.

They could but there is also lost fantasia income and people who won't buy from the Mogstation due to unhappiness with the decision. It doesn't have to involve ragequits, necessarily. However, you do imply you care as to whether they're added or not by hoping that they stick to their guns and therefore do not add them.

My point to Aces, and as were my previous posts to him and those coming in here, is that they are pinning that as the sole attitude of this thread. It is not. There is another dedicated thread where people encourage their outrage. I am pointing out that they are strawmanning the majority of this thread's community to be a bunch of whiners when the point of this thread is discussing male viera ideas and giving them support. I'm basically baiting for laughs from those who remember that he came in here telling us that Female Viera and Male Hrothgar should be scrapped for voicing male viera positivity along with calling us a minority that if we are 'pandered to' will spark the end of ffxiv like wow. It was for a chuckle, because anyone who has followed this thread knows that his claims have nothing to stand on.

I believe the angle Billy is coming at this from - and he can correct me if I err - is to do with a perceived bias against adding decent glamours and appearances catering to male characters. Personally I wouldn't necessarily impute this to sexism, but certainly there is an element of waifu-maker pandering in the game, however I think that's driven more by the fact that a majority of active characters is female - but not really great enough to justify cutting on designs that interest male character players.

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[Senn]

I don't care if they add male viera or not.

So you don't see any problems with the people who are just requesting male viera respectfully, right? If male viera are added for those people, you'd be ok with it?

[Burningskull]

Correction. I don't care if they add male viera or not. My point has always been that anyone who is willing to unsub just because they're not getting male viera didn't really like FFXIV to begin with and is looking for an excuse to quit. There isn't a single thing, besides glamours, that they can't do in the game without being a male viera. So I'm hoping SE sticks to their guns and calls their bluff.

Quitting something in the real world is considered a valid form of protest. Why not for the game? (And no I'm not quitting the game btw.)