Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[xbahax92]

Nah you cant take that old poll as the only source for a beast race request. People have been asking for more variety among the races even in the "show your support viera thread".

This request appeared quite often actually because people kept saying "I dont want another humanoid race, they will only look like Hyurs - make them more beastly - Can we play as a beast tribe?". Here we got Hrothgar now, but people compare them to Roegadyn, so much for that.

[Kallera]

Here's the source for the poll you're talking about I'm pretty sure.

Was about to quote this. It's particurlarly cheeky of him to be wondering if the beastial race won because he listed viera as an example.


This all sounds so ridiculous. Coupled with the concept art that means that development has included male viera at some point but was then dropped for some reason in favor of a race that no one expected, in a manner that wouldn't fly well with the audience. It took a glitch and leaks for people to even begin mentioning a race other than viera.

[Emmanellain]

Nah you cant take that old poll as the only source for a beast race feedback. People have been asking for more variety among the races even in the "show your support viera thread".
This request appeared quite often actually because people kept saying[I] "I dont want another humanoid race, they will only look like Hyurs - make them more beastly - Can we play as a beast tribe?". Here we got Hrothgar now, but people still compare them to Roegadyn, so much for that.

It's more to show the demand of the full set of Viera more than anything, I'm actually happy the people who wanted beastmen got their Hrothgar (i love Ronzos but personally I wouldn't play one) Regardless I think it's a shame that it's still undetermined if the female counterpart will ever be released.

[BillyKaplan]

Regardless I think it's a shame that it's still undetermined if the female counterpart will ever be released.

I'm going to add to that. Not just because we don't know if they'll release the missing race-gender combos, but because with how pressed for time and resources they are, they'll likely not release female Hroths and male Viera together. They'll look the feedback over, see which side has more support, and release that to pacify the larger part of the outrage.

[Alleo]

Because then people would've cancelled their preorders when they were still eligible for it, and had less chances to use their pre-order bonus items... is sadly what it starts to look like. They should've outright told us no male Viera, and then created an air of mystery around what was coming in its stead, instead of it being read as them building more hype for male Viera. Because it also made sense that's what they were getting at - male Viera were never shown before, so they wanted to reveal them in Tokyo, maybe even bring Matsuno over, which would've made more sense in Japan instead of anywhere else...

Sadly I also believe that this might be one of the reasons...and yes all the hints seems to have been about male viera reveal at the japanese fanfest because they had nothing else to show and wanted some hype. I mean without the leaks we would not have known that we could get a beastial male race, so that as a surprise with no hints ingame just feel off. But hey new patch is here and still no hints on them..all of that just feels like they were an afterthought and not somehow the ones that should have come first.

So in the end I have a hard time feeling sorry for them for the backlash they received (of course as long as it remains civil). They brought this onto themselves.

I still think some people overreacted, like they always do. This happened with Eureka too. Bluemage. But imo, asking in a friendly manner, supportive and patiently way will help much more than canceling subs and posting it in the OF. The mog station is actually asking for the reason when canceling the sub, which should be viewed as feedback.

The thing is, that they dont ask for deep reasons when you cancel your sub so they will never get to know why someone truly left. Also if people only post about this but everyone still stays subbed, then why should they change something? Seemingly people then forgive and forget it anyway thus they still get their money and might not even need to change something. Bad press, posts with lots of likes and comments on this and them losing money might do something. But look at bluemage or Eureka. Sometimes it just feels that only the danger of losing too many people might bring change. (And theoretically they would already lose money if someone that stayed subbed all the time, decreases that, which is something I am doing right now, and I am honestly not sure if I am going to buy the expansion at all)

[Laphael]

So in the end I have a hard time feeling sorry for them for the backlash they received (of course as long as it remains civil). They brought this onto themselves.

I feel very sorry for them.

They had a hard decision to make. They wanted to do a beastlike race (hrothgar) because many players where asking for that. But there where also many players who wanted viera more than anything.

So SE decided to give the players both most asked races. But of course there is only 2 years developement time till shadowbringers and they had to make cuts.

I think it was the right thing to make both races rather then only one with both genders.

And honestly, the community should maybe take a step back in the future about unconfirmed assumtions. Male Viera was never being hinted at!

[BillyKaplan]

And honestly, the community should maybe take a step back in the future about unconfirmed assumtions

1.0 -> 2.0: remove genderlocks from Highlanders, Miqo'te, and Roegadyns
3.0: introduce a two-gendered race
4.x: Fran introduced. Male Viera lore established by NPCs. Not a sliver of a mention of Hrothgar in the game.

It's not a mystery why people assumed we'd be getting male Viera. Also

Male Viera was never being hinted at!

I won't mention again that's arguably false, as the game gave us male Viera lore. Instead, I'll say:
Neither were Hroths.

[Duskane]

anxiously waiting on Yoshis post on the forums about this

[Laphael]

Neither were Hroths.

For ppl reading forum and reddit there was a big leak basically confirming a lion-race.
Many ppl pointed that out when the discussion after paris fanfest startet and where met with deaf ears.

Don´t get me wrong, im not against male-viera. I acutally expect them next expansion or the on after.

[Duskane]

i wouldn't call a leak hinting at something from a in game stand point like Yuguri or fran
and well pretty much all the leaks were 90% right like blue mage using scouting gear (which leads me to believe they meant dancer) or said dancer was a healer so there was always that "well they were right but also wrong at times" so really was never 100% certain.