Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Frizze]

Sastasha story

So im not defending a healer or dps who pulls without the group talking about it and agreeing. The standard procedure is what it is for a reason - when you do it right everything should be easier for the group(give or take people not knowing how to play their jobs). The only thing ill say is that im under the impression that scholers dont actually need to heal at all in those lower dungeons, the fairy can carry the whole team through. One would imagine that some people approach a run where they dont have to perform at all to succeed differently then they would a run where they need to play well or everyone fails. For some that would manifest in all out DPSing. Others would turn the run into a dance marathon. This guy might have decided to try tanking, maybe even trying to test the limits of the fairy. Just a thought.

[OrangeCrystarium]

If a healer wants a tank to pull more then the least they can do is ask politely, not run straight ahead and pull mobs willy nilly. That kind of behaviour is just disgraceful. OK cool you want to test the limits of your class, but communicate that with your group first, especially if the person is tanking for the first time.

[tdb]

There was this one run in Ghimlyt Dark a while back. I was healing (on WHM probably), don't remember what classes the others were. The tank was doing single pulls. Shortly after the first boss I noticed one of the DPS pull extra mobs. I said something along the lines of "Hey, can we do larger pulls? The deeps seems to be getting impatient. I can easily handle the heals." The tank agreed and the DPS in question was like "^^;". Then we did large pulls until the end of the dungeon and everything went fine.

The power of communication, people.

[Heliantheae]

I go with the tank speed. Like someone said, SCH really does not have to heal in the low level, but I've been there. I started back in 2.2 or .3, I can't remember. I started as GLD and was running Satasha. First time was good. The party helped. Second time, the party didn't like having a new tank and was running ahead, pulling, yelling, just making an ass of themselves. Put me off tanking for a long time. Toxicity is nothing new, it's just the luck of the draw. By and large though, this is a nice community. Just the assholes really stand out.

Like I was in Orbonne yesterday for my quarter. One of the tanks, at the start said something along the lines of, "I'm the MT and I'm shotgun pulling everything." I think most of Alliance A was new. It went smoothish, until TG Cid. Most of A was dead when the adds phase started. Picking them up and weakness and there wasn't enough DPS to kill their add and we wiped. Second time, he pulled immediately again. It went a little better, but we still wiped to the adds not being downed fast enough. Some people were getting annoyed and left. Again, he just pulled. My party was just me and two DPS. We didn't even make it to the adds. He got huffy and left. Then we filled up. We got to explain the mechanics and we cleared the raid without any more problems.

[tdb]

Sometimes I feel like this community is getting more and more toxic as time goes on, both in newer and in older content alike. They're not patient with new comers any more, people are way more vocally rude now, everyone is rush rush rush. I get that going content over and over again gets old but if you're not going to be a team player or you're already in a bad mood, perhaps take some time to do things that aren't group activities. Hopefully we can discourage troll like behavior and keep them either off the game or at the very least, unacknowledged and silenced to themselves.

I also feel that this is a thing that happens to every MMORPG over time. FFXIV is my third major MMORPG (the previous ones being Anarchy Online and Star Wars: The Old Republic) and in each one I've seen a development towards a speedrun mentality. Casual or new players are generally more laid back, whereas those leveling their eleventh alt or completing their achievements will just want to get it over with as quickly as possible. Casuals are also more likely to move on to other games after a few months, so as the game get older, an ever larger fraction of the population is composed of long-time players who are in a hurry to get wherever they are going. As such they start bumping into each other more in duty finder and come to treat speedrunning as the normal way of doing content.

I have to admit I also like it when dungeons go fast, since after doing them dozens of times they are not particularly interesting anymore. However I understand that not everyone may be comfortable with it so I let the tank set the pace (I usually play healer). It's also not that much slower to do single pulls if the DPS are good - and bad DPS may make a max pull run take longer than a single pull run with good DPS.

[tdb]

Like I was in Orbonne yesterday for my quarter. One of the tanks, at the start said something along the lines of, "I'm the MT and I'm shotgun pulling everything." I think most of Alliance A was new. It went smoothish, until TG Cid. Most of A was dead when the adds phase started. Picking them up and weakness and there wasn't enough DPS to kill their add and we wiped. Second time, he pulled immediately again. It went a little better, but we still wiped to the adds not being downed fast enough. Some people were getting annoyed and left. Again, he just pulled. My party was just me and two DPS. We didn't even make it to the adds. He got huffy and left. Then we filled up. We got to explain the mechanics and we cleared the raid without any more problems.

Idiot tank is an idiot. This reminds me of the joke where an American goes to a restaurant in a foreign country and tries to order something in English. The waiter makes it known that he doesn't speak English, so the American repeats what he said but louder. (No offense meant to the American audience here.)

Not everyone can pick up mechanics just by repetition. If a raid wipes, I try to offer at least a quick piece of advice related to the cause of the wipe like "stand behind the rocks" or "don't cross the circles".

[van_arn]

I also feel that this is a thing that happens to every MMORPG over time. FFXIV is my third major MMORPG (the previous ones being Anarchy Online and Star Wars: The Old Republic) and in each one I've seen a development towards a speedrun mentality. Casual or new players are generally more laid back, whereas those leveling their eleventh alt or completing their achievements will just want to get it over with as quickly as possible. Casuals are also more likely to move on to other games after a few months, so as the game get older, an ever larger fraction of the population is composed of long-time players who are in a hurry to get wherever they are going. As such they start bumping into each other more in duty finder and come to treat speedrunning as the normal way of doing content.

I have to admit I also like it when dungeons go fast, since after doing them dozens of times they are not particularly interesting anymore. However I understand that not everyone may be comfortable with it so I let the tank set the pace (I usually play healer). It's also not that much slower to do single pulls if the DPS are good - and bad DPS may make a max pull run take longer than a single pull run with good DPS.

The simple matter of fact is the dungeons need to be tuned so weak to permit paste eaters' progression, but the tools we're given are far more potent than what the dungeon needs.

The global rule (not just in this game) is if you have a tool you use it, and your goal as you progress is to learn how to use your available toolset.

Of note is scholar at low end dungeons: their toolset is so ludicrously overpowered they need to step outside of their role to use their entire toolset , usually as a mixture of dps and (in extreme circumstances) offtank.

Becoming used to and controlling chaos is one thing a tank must learn to do, early, and if that causes a player anxiety that's a sign someone else should tank. I realize this sounds like a lack of empathy, but an unwillingness or inability to control a situation as it develops is as big of a red flag on a tank as a dps' unwillingness to execute a rotation or a healers' unwillingness to cast regen.

So the problem is twofold: healers don't play by the limitations of their role because their toolset encourages them to branch out, and tanks that refuse to learn by a trial by fire get scared away. Ultimately, this is exactly how this should play out given the current balance.

If square doesn't like it, then I look forward to seeing how they adjust this with the job rebalance. This situation is pretty much unwinnable for Square without boring healers to death.

[Wynn_Storm]

Going to quote my post from another thread.

I have had this problem more than a few times.

The one situation that always comes to mind, was a healer i had during a lvl 50 dgn. I can't remember which one, but i know it was a level 50 dgn.

Anyway, had this healer who wouldn't dps at all. So i said to them that they should dps whenever there was downtime and no healing was needed. This person flipped out on me, started calling me an idiot and all this nonsense. The person was obviously new, but still that's no excuse to act like that. So long story short, the healer never helped dps and sat at full MP the entire time. Before i left i told that person, you better start dpsing because you will be expected to dps especially at max level. And people may not be as tolerable as i. The person said "I am max level" and i checked and was only a lvl 50 WHM.

Ugh, people can be so stubborn.

[van_arn]

Going to quote my post from another thread.

Your mistake is you let them stay in the group. You've reinforced that behavior by letting them get the clear with you.

[MetalSnakeXI1]

This one happened last week

I got world of darkness in alliance roullette as a Samurai with two other SAMs with me and 2 caster

Things go normally for the most part and then we get to Cloud of Darkness

The LB3 gauge fills up and since Im melee I do it.Keep in mind I didn't have weakness debuff since I didn't die or was even debuffed with damage down or whatnot and as soon as my LB3 finishes one of the two sams shouts in the party chat "Wow what a waste of LB3... you should've saved it for melee".......EXCUSE ME WHA...WHY....HOW EV.......IM FREAKIN MELEE JUST LIKE YOU"

And he didn't even say that in alliance chat where as soon as he posted that remark the bards in the other alliances LB3 and do less damage than my LB

I wasn't lagging either so his comment didn't happen to come up before the other lb3s loaded on my end he did so in our own party chat(not alliance chat) a solid 5 seconds before the other LBs came in.............like ...What the f***