Viera males should be smaller like Au Ra females

[Gwenorai]

I got to ask, but how many men in real life do you know who are adults that are under 5ft tall? I'm honestly curious. I hate the dimorphism of the au'ra but here's something that folks aren't taking into consideration. It's not that the females are freakishly small, it's the fact the men are freakishly tall. The Au'ra women are what? 5ft maximum - may be a little smaller? I've seen plenty of women who are this height who are of age - 18 + etc; while the average height has them certainly higher - these women aren't huge outliners, plenty are this small.

Now, how many men do you know that are under 5ft who have gone through puberty? How common is it in society? Of those men who are under 5ft who have a childlike face, how many of those get constantly IDd because people assume they're underage?

I'm digressing; small women are commonplace. Small men, not so much sadly - and thus comes the whole idea that a man who is extremely small is seen as underage if his face shows anything that is somewhat boyish. Finally, it's the sad truth that small men are not pandered to - not unless the females are also small. Why? Because people tend to shy away from small men; it's why you don't tend to see them in a lot of media.

Again, having them be smaller than the females is fine - as long as the females aren't into the whole 'I don't date smaller men' trope. But to the point that they're a huge outliner at under 5ft? No.

[J-Reyno]

It's just weird, my issue isn't with the body type, I know you guys just basically want an astolfo type character, but stop using alphinaud as a point of reference, he's literally 16 in lore. It's creepy.

I don't know who "you guys" are but I haven't said anything about Alphinaud in this thread, so it sounds like your beef is with someone else.

I think it'd be cool to have an equivalent to Au Ra female for male characters. A bit shorter than the Miqo'te males (in the same way F-AuRa are a little shorter than F-Miqo) but still appearing as adult males.

If that doesn't happen, whatever. It's not like I'd expect it, but Viera men are the only feasible remaining option to shore up the gender disparity among shorter race options. Hence my opinion.

[Lacan]

I think when people say shorter in regards to male viera, they're talking in the low 5 ft range. Like, anything shorter than 5 ft would be putting them into lalafell territory wouldn't it?

I'm 5'11 and to me short for a guy is like... 5'5 ish and below? :v

[Gwenorai]

I don't know who "you guys" are but I haven't said anything about Alphinaud in this thread, so it sounds like your beef is with someone else.

I think it'd be cool to have an equivalent to Au Ra female for male characters. A bit shorter than the Miqo'te males (in the same way F-AuRa are a little shorter than F-Miqo) but still appearing as adult males.

If that doesn't happen, whatever. It's not like I'd expect it, but Viera men are the only feasible remaining option to shore up the gender disparity among shorter race options. Hence my opinion.

Honestly, would certainly be fine if it was for another race. But since it's Viera - a race that's been so long waited for people are going to pay more attention to the appearance and the height. Over a decade of wondering and the concept art of the adult versions have folks painting onto that. I feel that people think that making them extremely small - when a height scale could just be wider - is going to ruin the imagery for them.

I would like them to be tall - but I'd be happy with them being Midlander-Hyur height, maybe a little smaller. I, however, draw a line at them falling below 5ft and looking that small. It just ruins the imagery for me. If they're going to be that small then I'd want them to be very well lean with defined muscles. Not small, skinny with no defining muscle development. But yeah, under 5ft? Female au'ra territory = no.

[TheUltimate3]

I got to ask, but how many men in real life do you know who are adults that are under 5ft tall?

I've known a surprising amount of short men.

[MrKimper]

I don't know who "you guys" are but I haven't said anything about Alphinaud in this thread, so it sounds like your beef is with someone else.

I think it'd be cool to have an equivalent to Au Ra female for male characters. A bit shorter than the Miqo'te males (in the same way F-AuRa are a little shorter than F-Miqo) but still appearing as adult males.

If that doesn't happen, whatever. It's not like I'd expect it, but Viera men are the only feasible remaining option to shore up the gender disparity among shorter race options. Hence my opinion.

And that's fine, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that. My issue's solely with people(I apologize if you were not one of them) using alphinaud's body type as a requested body type. Also I'm saying astolfo because he's well--a short slender man, again there are other references, I just understand you aren't asking for anything perverse.

Personally? I feel like that could just be solved by adding a muscle slider with male miqo'te but I see where your thought on body type diversity needs to be filled. That's fine.

[J-Reyno]

Honestly, would certainly be fine if it was for another race. But since it's Viera - a race that's been so long waited for people are going to pay more attention to the appearance and the height. Over a decade of wondering and the concept art of the adult versions have folks painting onto that. I feel that people think that making them extremely small - when a height scale could just be wider - is going to ruin the imagery for them.

I 100% understand that. People seem to think that simply expressing an opinion means you're deadset on that and won't accept anything different. It's what I'd like, but I'd be okay with just having male Viera no matter how they look.

Whatever the height, if we ever got male Viera I'd want them to have proportions similar to Omega M. A lithe but deadly kind of build. They'd prob just use the elezen model or something, though.

[Gwenorai]

I've known a surprising amount of short men.

xD I should have added that it also depends on where you're from as well. Like in the UK according to average height statistics; average female height is around 5'3 - while for males it's 5'9. Anywho - obviously the men are taller than the females. But that number on the average is at least somewhat closer to the standard au'ra female height. Heck I wouldn't mind a 5'9 viera.

But digression.

I 100% understand that. People seem to think that simply expressing an opinion means you're deadset on that and won't accept anything different. It's what I'd like, but I'd be okay with just having male Viera no matter how they look.

Whatever the height, if we ever got male Viera I'd want them to have proportions similar to Omega M. A lithe but deadly kind of build. They'd prob just use the elezen model or something, though.

I'm fairly certain that Omega is using a modified elezen bodytype the proportions look very similar - just without the silly neck.

[DamianFatale]

HELL NO. I want my Viera men to be on par with Viera woman. Making them smaller would only create more controversy, which Yoshi P, and his team do not need.

I do agree that we need a new small race, but they should be in 6.0, or 7.0.

[Atreyu]

Not my question. I am not asking you about sexual dimorphism. I'll ask again: do you think female Au Ra players are weird for playing female Au Ra?

Most of the time, yes. I do. Does that answer satisfy you?
It's the same with Lalafell players. Sorry, but to me, it sends up an immediate red flag.

I was expecting you to answer the question.

And I did. Twice now. A good chunk of why they are offsetting is because they are supposed to be the 'other half' of a race that is literally one of the most massive in the entire game. But yes, the fact that you can make them look underage and/or immature is probably what some people are looking for. And those people are the exact types I'm looking to avoid.
We got that now? All clear?

Who are these statements directed to?

My statements have always been directed to anyone who was comparing the body types of children -- whether 16 year old children or otherwise -- to what they want the next male model to look like. You decided to step up and take a shot. So if the shoe fits, Cinderella.

And Viera men can be the same, except a little shorter or at the height of Au Ra female.

Why though? Why do we need another copy/paste of the Miqo'te?