Yoshi-P considering feedback on the new races

[SoulEchelon]

Jesus Christ do people love putting words in my mouth.

FF7 was connected to X without the input of the 7 team, it was a retconned thing in the Ultimania. XIV is not connected to Ivalice, this was disproven by Matsuno himself on his Twitter (why not rant about how Ashe and Rassler are twins in XIV?), The Ivalice Alliance games are the only ones connected between themselves. XIII was only alluded due to nods, but isn't actually connected (Another dimension, was the excuse), Are you seriously trying to say that because the Garleans use tech that's cosmetically similar to 6 that they're connected?

https://youtu.be/BA1gwFKq7u0?t=251 It's 100% confirmed. Straight from the horse's mouth. As for everything else, please notice how I stated SPECIFICALLY that certain WORLDS are the same, while others are simply CONNECTED. The fact that Ivalice shows up in multiple Final Fantasies means said Final Fantasies are connected. That also means Garlean technology being an obvious throwback/connection to FF6. It's even named Magitek. That is a connection, whether you believe it or not. That's one of the foundations of the whole Final Fantasy series - these connections between each world that define them as part of the Final Fantasy multiverse. If there were zero connections, we would not see Ivalice in FFXIV. We would not see moogles in every FF. we would not see chocobos in all of them either. I'm really not sure how much more I can explain this to you.

The point is that by going "I'm a writer so X" and then going off on tangents about how they can't change this aspect of the Lore (while ignoring that it actually WAS changed and these are not the same Viera from Ivalice) is beyond pedantic, and this is from another writer.

Well gee, didn't know saying my profession would make people think I'm a snob. That's what I get for trying to explain my point of view I guess! Also, you definitely did not read my post, as I stated later on within it that I would be happy to see both races have both genders, which means changing XIV's lore about them. Nowhere at all did I state in any of my posts in this whole entire forum that they absolutely can not change Viera lore - only that at most it could be potentially hard, and at least it explains their reasoning for not having male viera. Look up my posts. I don't have many of them.

[WhiteArchmage]

Jesus Christ do people love putting words in my mouth.



https://youtu.be/BA1gwFKq7u0?t=251 It's 100% confirmed. Straight from the horse's mouth. As for everything else, please notice how I stated SPECIFICALLY that certain WORLDS are the same, while others are simply CONNECTED. The fact that Ivalice shows up in multiple Final Fantasies means said Final Fantasies are connected. That also means Garlean technology being an obvious throwback/connection to FF6. It's even named Magitek. That is a connection, whether you believe it or not. That's one of the foundations of the whole Final Fantasy series - these connections between each world that define them as part of the Final Fantasy multiverse. If there were zero connections, we would not see Ivalice in FFXIV. We would not see moogles in every FF. we would not see chocobos in all of them either. I'm really not sure how much more I can explain this to you.

First off, that's why I said retconned. The Ultimania eventually said "Shinra's descendants moved to another planet and became the ShinRa corporation in FF7", so Kitase was being partly comical and mostly going with "Sure, let's go with that." Connections may be the wrong word there since they're actually references: Shiva in V is not the same as in VI, VII, VIII, etc. Moogles don't share the same design between one FF and the next, among other things. Dissidia does a better job actually connecting the games, but it's still iffy if the events of the Dissidia games canonically happened for the Warriors or not.

Well gee, didn't know saying my profession would make people think I'm a snob. That's what I get for trying to explain my point of view I guess! Also, you definitely did not read my post, as I stated later on within it that I would be happy to see both races have both genders, which means changing XIV's lore about them. Nowhere at all did I state in any of my posts in this whole entire forum that they absolutely can not change Viera lore - only that at most it could be potentially hard, and at least it explains their reasoning for not having male viera. Look up my posts. I don't have many of them.

On this I will actually apologize because many others HAVE been crying "But Lore!" and trying to hide behind Matsuno (who washed his hands off this) or the already flimsy Lore in-game, while ignoring that Viera lore in XIV borrows heavily from Miqo'te Keeper of the Moon, XII lore being more ambiguous by simply stating that males and females live in separate villages, and we never explore the entirety of Golmore Jungle (We needed Fran to guide us to Eryut Village in the first place, for example). I do agree that if XIV feels the need to retcon the current Lore for their Viera (Vis in the First Shard), it's their game to do so, and I should probably not be surfing the Forums already cranky <.<

[SoulEchelon]

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I'll admit I was gearing up for a nerdrage rebuttal, but we seemed to have found some common ground finally. When it comes to "Connections" I speak more of the fact that there are very similar themes, peoples, and societies in the Final Fantasy games, which is the backbone of the series. I didn't mean Garlemald was from FF6 or anything like that of course. Just that the technology on showcase means that these two worlds have a...well, connection. I can't really think of another word for it. But they aren't the same world. Like perhaps the same world but in a different dimension? Which, when you think of Dissidia and other nods towards dimensional/universal travel in this game series, it doesn't sound very far fetched. I feel Squeenix is specifically keeping this vague though just to stoke the fires of mystery among the community. But then you think about the Omega raids and the Crystal Tower and the Shards and Lightning in a Miqo'te outfit and just....oof.

Anyways I digress. I accept the apology and frankly I generally agree with your assessment. I think wires just got crossed and words misread. TL;DR of my thoughts is: I'm all for both Male Viera and Female Hrothgar, however I also take lore into the equation. Lore can always change, but I'd rather it not be shoehorned in just because the players want it - especially when it's as established as Viera lore is in FF. If we're gonna get bunny boys, I wanna know why. I want to see what made them leave their forests to join society like their female counterparts. Hell, give me a questline in game explaining it or something. I'd love that.

Although, that makes me curious. How do they explain no female Hrothgar? They're obviously Ronso (Their alternate name in the new shard we're going to is Ronso if I remember correctly), so where are the ladies? Guess we'll find out.