Yoshi-P considering feedback on the new races

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Oh yeah, it's still tiny percentage wise, but it's still underselling it/dismissing it, and is also completely ignoring players who don't use the OF, or are using other language forums. Is it still a small percent being vocal? Sure. But to claim there's only "like 500 people on the forums asking for it" is still trying to belittle the issue.

I didnt belittle anything, I simply spoke about 14mill vs about 20k
Just numbers, not people.

[Chained_Icarus]

I didnt belittle anything, I simply spoke about 14mill vs about 20k
Just numbers, not people.

I meant the person I initially replied to, not you (at least I'm pretty sure it wasn't you).

Collab events have no baring on lore. Its side content for a video game.
According to lore, there is only 1 warrior of light; the main player. Everyone who the WoL works with in dungeons, Raids and trials are random adventures/mercs that the Main Player/WoL recruits.
And with the Miquote Moon Keepers are we comparing how the Males often go out on their own to wander? Vs Virea where the males and females literally live separated from eachother?

Moon Keepers also live separated from each other, as their fathers are not around to raise them and they're usually pushed out of the main village at maturity (similar to the Veira once they're old enough to be identified as male). The males are kinda left on their own so they'll lend themselves to poaching or - if more noble - adventuring. They're expected to kinda hang around for breeding purposes, though. There's literally nothing stopping a few male Veira who are tired of their isolation or -literally called by the Echo/Hydalyn (ie: Warrrior of Light) - to venture out. In fact the WoL's race seems meaningless - if they are called, they answer. Even then, they are still supposed to be far less common than the other races, but they are the second most played male race in the game. Statistically speaking, Elezen should be, especially with Ishgard and Gridania in the mix.

So if you're willing to suspend belief there's only 1 Warrior of Light (one), and the classes there should be only one of (Dark Knight, White Mage, Scholar, Azure Dragoon, etc), why can't you extend that to the Veira? If I am the Warrior of Light in my game, I agree to believe you are not one (though you are in your game). Why can you not believe the Veira are still extremely rare despite players playing them?

We couldn't ALL meet Fray, take up an oath with Sidgurdu and become a Dark Knight, yet there are hundreds of us. We couldn't all go recreate the legendary weapon Excalibur. We can't all canonically have Midgardsormr as our buddy pet/mount. But these things are overlooked. I'm trying to figure out what makes these things exceptions but not a race, which there would be more of than these things.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I meant the person I initially replied to, not you (at least I'm pretty sure it wasn't you).

So if you're willing to suspend belief there's only 1 Warrior of Light (one), and the classes there should be only one of (Dark Knight, White Mage, Scholar, Azure Dragoon, etc), why can't you extend that to the Veira? If I am the Warrior of Light in my game, I agree to believe you are not one (though you are in your game). Why can you not believe the Veira are still extremely rare despite players playing them?

We couldn't ALL meet Fray, take up an oath with Sidgurdu and become a Dark Knight, yet there are hundreds of us. We couldn't all go recreate the legendary weapon Excalibur. We can't all canonically have Midgardsormr as our buddy pet/mount. But these things are overlooked. I'm trying to figure out what makes these things exceptions but not a race, which there would be more of than these things.

I mean..there literally only is 1 WoL in XIV, at least with how the Narration goes. The Main player of their playthrough is the 1 WoL. And yes, by how the games narration goes, you as the main player are the WoL, and everyone else you fight with is an Adventure. There are even Dialogue moments when they say "Gather your fellow adventures and prepare for this fight" you are referred to as the WoL, nobody else, in YOUR playthrough as the Main character.
And If we are going by Job stones, you dont need to be a WoL to have one. These are Crystals that house memories of a Person that mastered said art. (If Im remembering that lore correctly)
Actually yeah, we could all recreate the Weapons. Its just get materials and meet this drunk and skilled Smith.

I understand where you are coming from and the argument your making. I can't argue against it, nobody can. At the same time, comparing a Races lore that has been established, against why every individual player can have an item or do a side quest is still abit ridiculous. My playthrough of a game doesn't effect your world in your playthrough of a game.
The Viera, a race in the FF mythos directly effects everyone, because, once again, going off of lore...the Males are never seen. There has to be a lore reason to support why they would make themselves known. The Lore would need to Evolve and be added to, to allow Male Viera to exist outside of their bubble. You can't just say make them exist because they should, or because I want them to, or compare them to other items or to other races and use external instances as a reason.

But hey, this is just my viewpoint.
I can't actually explain or excuse any design choice in anything, just give my opinion on it.

[Chained_Icarus]

e a WoL to have one. These are Crystals that house memories of a Person that mastered said art. (If Im remembering that lore correctly)
Actually yeah, we could all recreate the Weapons. Its just get materials and meet this drunk and skilled Smith.

That's not entirely true.
While you don't need to be the WoL explicitly to get a Crystal, there are a finite number of them. For many Jobs, there's literally just the one you have. Curious Gorge gives you the only other Warrior one in Eorzea, as he has the other and they're protected by his tribe. You take the Dark Knight one off of Fray's body, which Sidgurdu heavily implies is the only other one. The Scholar one is one of a kind according to the tonberries and is uniquely linked to a specific fairy (Eos/Lilly). There are a few others.

The weapons actually are unique, at least the ARR ones are. The very first thing Gerolt sends you to get is an older legendary weapon that has been forgotten to use as the base - a singular one in existence. He's genuinely surprised when you manage to bring it back because he believed there was no way you could find the one single weapon in all of existence to use as the initial base to start it off. The HW one is strongly implied to only be possible BECAUSE you're the WoL and your personal strength is what feeds into the Anima.

The lore says they're never seen but then that becomes unbelievable lore. Consider the world of Eorzea/Hydalyn: We have airships, instant teleportation across the globe, scrying crystals, Ascians (who have been involved with like, everyone ever), etc. That an entire gender of a race could go completely unseen is frankly unbelievable. That not a single male Viera chooses to ignore tradition and venture forth is unbelievable. Sure, I can write a story and say something is true to my story and it would be because I'm the author, but that doesn't make it GOOD lore or a GOOD story.

It's just a weak lore excuse and I could do better. Here's a few loose examples that still fit within the FFXIV world:

Males are born with a strange disease in their blood that manifests upon maturity. The only way to counteract it is a special fruit / spring water that exists in their forest that quickly loses its potency so it cannot be stored for later. Because of this all Viera Males stay within their forest and dedicate their lives to its protection.

Now they physically cannot go far from the woods or they die while still serving a purpose. Is it still lame? Absolutely. Does it have a resolution to add them later? Sure, the WoL and co curses the disease so they're free to explore.

As it stands right now "They just never, EVER come out" has no real hook or motivation to EVER rectify that without a lazy retcon... it's also a lazy reason.

I do appreciate you sharing your thoughts though. It's been helpful

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

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-Yup, this is true
-This is also true, but just because Jhonney725 got the ultra ultimate blade in the last expansion doesn't me coming in a year later locks me out of getting it in my own playthrough. His play-through does not affect mine.
-Airships, TP crystals, etc does not mean they have been sighted and have come out of hiding. We don't know how connected to their culture a male Viera is...because we have yet to see one that went deviant. Hasn't happened yet. No reason for it to happen yet
-You can do better? Neat, Then go make your own game or own book and do it. Don't try to alter another game to fit what you personally want.
-Even with that storyline you think would work, it'll still cause the same issue we have today - Change the lore/fix it. See that? Nothing was resolved, people are still upset
-The Male Viera just out of nowhere for no reason coming of hiding retcons their lore by itself. Its also a lazy reason just to make people happy.

-At the end of the day, thats all these are...thoughts