It's time to add restrictions for sub-role dps in party

[Ceasaria]

Dancer was added to the ranged DPS and one of the reason for that is because we have only 2 of them.

So Yoshida and many players state that a sub-role DPS have the same importance as healers and tanks.

But why then, sub-role are not restricted in party ?
DPS spots must be separated now as sub-role spot.

Il will let the 4 man party aside, but for the 8 man party the restriction should be :
- 2 tanks
- 2 healers
- 2 melee dps
- 1 ranged dps
- 1 caster dps

If you are not agree, then sub-role dps is not as important as healer and tank, and so ranged dps shouldn't had the priority to get another job over the healers.

[NekoNova]

I don't see why this needs to be enforced?
Run with 4 BLM for all I care as long as you clear the content?

[cicatriz313]

God man. It's not about importance it's about play style. Most players who like bard like that style of movement while ranged. It's not the same as melee and not the same as caster. This point is just ridiculous. Even yoshi said that's part of the reason. Read his interview. If you don't like it, that's fine but this point isn't winning you any favor.

Yoshi's stance: A: It's not that we had no plans for a healer, but rather than making Dancer a healer, for FFXIV expansions we prioritize the players' game experience. It was decided early on that we would add a new tank, because MT and OT roles are poorly balanced when there are an odd number of tank jobs. Just for example, if we want to have two MT jobs and two OT jobs but we only have 3 tank jobs, then even if we make them capable of doing both, because of their advantages/disadvantages it tends to lead into a 2:1 ratio. We felt that it would be easier to balance with 4 jobs. We also wanted to add the gunblade as an iconic FF weapon that would appeal to people who hadn't tried an online FF yet.

When we were deciding what the other role would be, the last remaining options were a third ranged DPS or a fourth healer. However, we were still struggling with balancing the three existing healers, and SCH was always dominant because of the fairy. Even if we re-balanced them again for 5.0, and even if they also have the shield healer vs pure healer dichotomy, we thought it would be better to solidify the balance between the three healers instead of trying to balance four. By adding a third ranged DPS, we could round out the number of jobs per role.

There.

[Nariel]

I'll agree wth that support-DpS rôle bullshit when I wont see SAM/MNK/BLM/RDM with half my DpS as a BRD anymore.

Its about adding a ranged DpS with support skill because there is only two ranged job and one support skilled job and Healer aren't even balanced for the moment.

[Roda]

If you are not agree, then sub-role dps is not as important as healer and tank, and so ranged dps shouldn't had the priority to get another job over the healers.

I mean counter point, physical ranged and healers got a class last in HW. Healers got the much beloved AST, while all physical ranged got is MCH, the class that keeps getting overhauled since its release.
The real problem is that trying to get blu to work in game probably distracted them from balancing out the class releases. Casters just got RDM we didnt need another one so soon, especially since we cant even main it.

[Jandor]

God man. It's not about importance it's about play style. Most players who like bard like that style of movement while ranged. It's not the same as melee and not the same as caster.

Why not make a healer in that style then? All 3 healers have a caster play style currently.

[cicatriz313]

Why not make a healer in that style then? All 3 healers have a caster play style currently.

Because that's inherently not the same style? The style is ranged dps not a healer.

[Physic]

Dancer was added to the ranged DPS and one of the reason for that is because we have only 2 of them.

So Yoshida and many players state that a sub-role DPS have the same importance as healers and tanks.

But why then, sub-role are not restricted in party ?
DPS spots must be separated now as sub-role spot.

Il will let the 4 man party aside, but for the 8 man party the restriction should be :
- 2 tanks
- 2 healers
- 2 melee dps
- 1 ranged dps
- 1 caster dps

If you are not agree, then sub-role dps is not as important as healer and tank, and so ranged dps shouldn't had the priority to get another job over the healers.

this reasoning is bad. yea, dps is basicallly one role, but in terms of what people want to play, its mostly about how the job plays. also, all the roles have levels of interest from the playerbase.

[Enla]

Waiting for Melee DPS... Time Elapsed: Failure to Calculate.

Or rather, please god no. Not only would it clog up the queue, it just isn't necessary in casual content.

[Tlachtga]

God man. It's not about importance it's about play style. Most players who like bard like that style of movement while ranged. It's not the same as melee and not the same as caster. This point is just ridiculous. Even yoshi said that's part of the reason. Read his interview. If you don't like it, that's fine but this point isn't winning you any favor.

The point is using the "ranged physical only had two jobs" is ridiculous. You're dps, you had options for vastly different playstyles within your role already. Just because you didn't take then, doesn't mean that they weren't there.

Healers don't have that luxury.