Gender-locking isn't sexist

[Vahlnir]

First off, there's no lore that says that female Hrothgar have to stay at home to protect children. You made that shit up. We don't even know the lore of Hrothgar yet.

Secondly, saying that the male Viera aren't playable because they're not allowed in female villages and live solely in the woods isn't sexist.

Thirdly, SE has not said in explicit terms that they won't let us play [X] or [Y] because they don't believe that either gender deserves to have the roles or anything. You are deliberately fanning the flames and putting words in the developer's mouth so you can find like-minded people to rally pitchforks against them just because you didn't get something you wanted.

You know what sexism is? Going into the workplace as a woman or man, and being told you can't do Job [A] because they don't think your gender would be appropriate for it. Sexism is people thinking that only women can be nurses instead of males, sexism is a business paying males or females a higher wage than the other gender, sexism is believing that men can't raise children correctly because they're not females, etc. The list of crimes could go on. Sexism for this game would be if the developers didn't offer both genders from the start period. Sexism for XIV would be if, from the very start of ARR, you could only play as males or you could only play as females, then, and ONLY THEN, could we argue the developers are truly sexist.

Sexism is not being told you can't play this race as this gender because the developers didn't have time to make them or they just feel that having male Viera or female Hrothgar would be weird for the culture of Eorzea, not YOUR culture, not MY culture, but THE GAME's culture. A fictional world that is not nor will ever be governed by REAL WORLD POLITICAL HOT TOPICS.

Obviously, you don't know or have ever been faced with a real case of sexism, because if you did, you wouldn't be tossing the word around so carelessly and making it lose it's true value where it actually matters.

[AcornFox]

I do not think the company or the devs are Sexist, But i do think that something like this looks a bit too much like it.
The Sexy Bunny ladys are female only, and the Buff Beast race is Male only. Its stepping on a lot of places that have been sexist before.
And social sexism is a thing that can effect things like this, even if the people working on it a unaware of it.

Its all things seen before, and all too often it is for sexist reasons.
The lore only goes so far, and in a MMO I think choices like this erode lore as much as they support it.
They are saying that now that viera will be out in the world, that none had a male child that could not go back.
No males choose to leave, like the females will.
No circumstances force even a small group of them out into the world.

When you do genderlock a race, you need to put a lot of effort into the race. Its not a task a dev in a MMO should do to save time. As you need to sell it in world 120%
Its Also creepy that the females cannot even see what there males look like.

Same for the hrothgar without there females, They are another buff race that is missing females. This is really not uncommon ether
So i think unless they are going to WoW us with these new races, they are walking down a poor chosen path.

[VictorTheed]

I wished we got both genders for the new races cause of customization but if you can only pick one then I'm happy with the choice of genders they chose.

[Sigiria]

It’s not sexist. But it’s sad

I'd much rather this would be the narrative for the complaining topics. I can get behind: "I really wanted it to happen, can you please look into in the future"

FFXIV devs decided to cave in about a race they weren't especially fond of implenting and decided to meet the niche that was asking for it halfway, by implementing the Viera the same way they were implemented in the XII (because crazy enough you ask for FFXII Viera specifically, you get FFXII Viera)
Another niche was asking for more beast looking race, for as long as the Viera. The team were probably thinking they were doing something cool by adding two requested niche races in one expansion by doing it that way. It was an extra effort meant to please two niches and this is the result.
People using very serious real world issues to spin a narrative that don't make them looks like selfish kids throwing a tantrum because they didn't get the fanfiction they had planned in their head.

And that's dangerous, because when you start aggressively jumping on any entity that is clearly not against your community to get what you want, you are giving bullets to the "lul look at the SJW crowds attacking people over nothing" idiots and neutral people in the crossfire might start thinking "kinda, yeah"
And when something really harmful and detrimental to the LGBT community happen, like real life threatning, those same A-hole will go "lul look at the SJW crowds attacking people over nothing" then you'll have to ask yourself if whining that hard about a time constraint and aesthetic decision in a fantasy videogame was really worth it.

[Wynn_Storm]

I disagree with you. A lot of men and woman feel personally attacked right now, and I can understand why.

I can't understand why. Its a video game character, not them. I think its stupid to feel personally attacked over a video game. People need to get a reality check, the character in game is not them. Don't try to take everything so personally.

But i forget that everyone is so sensitive now. Makes me feel old when i remember how people used to have such thick skin back then, and the cry babies of today would be abnormal and not the norm like it is now.

[AcornFox]

I can't understand why. Its a video game character, not them. I think its stupid to feel personally attacked over a video game. People need to get a reality check, the character in game is not them. Don't try to take everything so personally.

But i forget that everyone is so sensitive now. Makes me feel old when i remember how people used to have such thick skin back then, and the cry babies of today would be abnormal and not the norm like it is now.

I think this is a dangerous line to lead, Sensitivity has little to do with it. Things in the passed where not entirely good and often when you refer to this, you are actually pointing out that oppressed groups of people had no way to ever voice themselves.
I mean, i am old enough to have had to hide my Sexuality at fear of being attacked. Just, And that men used to tell me what i could and could not read and be interested in.
Sensitivity, its little of the sort. Its that people are far more free to discuss things in the open. Really, i think the people who lament for better times are acting more as they speak right now.

[Wynn_Storm]

I think this is a dangerous line to lead, Sensitivity has little to do with it. Things in the passed where not entirely good and often when you refer to this, you are actually pointing out that oppressed groups of people had no way to ever voice themselves.
I mean, i am old enough to have had to hide my Sexuality at fear of being attacked. Just, And that men used to tell me what i could and could not read and be interested in.
Sensitivity, its little of the sort. Its that people are far more free to discuss things in the open. Really, i think the people who lament for better times are acting more as they speak right now.

I think sensitivity has a lot to do with it. People are offended by everything today. It may not have been perfect back then, but i do think people had thicker skin.

I don't see how what i said has anything to do with oppressed people. There is no oppression going on. This is about a VIDEO GAME CHARACTER. I don't see how this oppresses anyone in real life.

Overall sexuality shouldn't have anything to do with this. Its a video game character, and people are drawing at straws that aren't there.

Everyone is trying to push an agenda, period. If you want to call me ignorant, so be it. But i think people are making a huge deal over something so tiny.

[Arkdra]

I can't understand why. Its a video game character, not them. I think its stupid to feel personally attacked over a video game. People need to get a reality check, the character in game is not them. Don't try to take everything so personally.

But i forget that everyone is so sensitive now. Makes me feel old when i remember how people used to have such thick skin back then, and the cry babies of today would be abnormal and not the norm like it is now.

People's characters are them, and people weren't more thick skinned back in the day, they just had much less power to speak up for themselves. That is not the case anymore, which is cool.

To the OP, lore is not a valid argument. Eorzea is not some bespoke creation where Sephiroth floats down from the 7th heaven and hands Banri Oda a tome of immutable Eorzean facts. The writing team tacitly decided on their regressive lore and it passed Yoshi P at some point. But let's be realistic, they decided on not doing male Viera well before they wrote the lore and then wrote the lore to try and deflect criticism and I guess it works because here we are.

Does this make Yoshi P and the lore team sexist? I don't know them enough to say. Based on what Yoshi P said about dancer, I imagine not. But is this another in a growing list of things I am finding concerning? Yeah it is. I don't like the Au Ra dimorphism, I don't like that it took them 2 years to get male bunny outfits in the game, I don't like that they've shifted towards making more gender distinct equipment and I don't like genderlocked races.

But I am more bothered that Minfilia is back so whatcha gonna do?

[Wynn_Storm]

People's characters are them

My character is not me, i am not a cat girl in real life.

[Arkdra]

My character is not me, i am not a cat girl in real life.

This is a weird thread to share shameful secrets in but ok!