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  1. #51
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    Mesarthim's Avatar
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    Rozemyne Shyahoro
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahrijlaken View Post
    AST is perfect
    AST main here. I disagree. Most of my healing woes are actually BECAUSE of AST. You know what I dread when playing AST in 8/24 man content? Playing with another AST. WHM doesn't have this problem. I'll even take SCH and SCH!
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  2. #52
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    Ea Sin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hustensaft View Post
    A more detailed version of the OP-quote: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...w_with_yoship/ Don't really know what to say here?

    Between thinking that WHM is to hard and they want to make it easier, and that SCH is strong because of the fairy... kind of shows how little understanding they have of their healer jobs...
    This is just sad. Watch them just nerf the faerie into oblivion and us losing our identity to more homogenization. I would quite healing in a heartbeat.
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  3. #53
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    Kalise Relanah
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hustensaft View Post
    Don't really know what to say here?

    Between thinking that WHM is to hard and they want to make it easier, and that SCH is strong because of the fairy... kind of shows how little understanding they have of their healer jobs...
    Sounds like they've only played Healers up to level 50...

    Where WHM is hard because before Assize you have no MP ever.

    Where SCH literally heals all content with just Fairy (Which will heal for like 30% of a Tank's health per heal)
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  4. #54
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    Shaelysis Amara
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalise View Post
    Sounds like they've only played Healers up to level 50...

    Where WHM is hard because before Assize you have no MP ever.
    WHM is only hard before 50 when you get a tank in DPS gear 10+ lvls lower than the lvl of the dungeon and they haven't discovered defensive skills yet

    It used to be a bit tougher before you got shroud at 42, but lucid is twice as good as shroud ever was and I think it's available earlier than shroud was.
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  5. #55
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    Kalise Relanah
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lozza View Post
    WHM is only hard before 50 when you get a tank in DPS gear 10+ lvls lower than the lvl of the dungeon and they haven't discovered defensive skills yet

    It used to be a bit tougher before you got shroud at 42, but lucid is twice as good as shroud ever was and I think it's available earlier than shroud was.
    I can still run dry pre-56 with Lucid though. Even if I am only spamming Stone.

    It was always the thing that frustrated me when leveling WHM, that their class based MP tools came pretty late (Assize at 56 and Thin Air at 62) compared to SCH/AST whom get some MP tools at level 6 and 30 respectively. In addition to their Lucid (Also, SCH gets their free healz from Lily)
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  6. #56
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    Crushing Fatigue
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    Balmung
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    Quote Originally Posted by EaMett View Post
    This is just sad. Watch them just nerf the faerie into oblivion and us losing our identity to more homogenization. I would quite healing in a heartbeat.
    Oh the SCH nerf is definitely coming based on that quote. Only time will tell if it's to the level of 4.0 where we got hit so hard with the nerf bat they spent the entire expansion trying to adjust us, and by that I mean they fixed us then frankly went a bit too far in the other direction for a time, or if it'll be a soft nerf to the complexity of the job.
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  7. #57
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalise View Post
    I can still run dry pre-56 with Lucid though. Even if I am only spamming Stone.

    It was always the thing that frustrated me when leveling WHM, that their class based MP tools came pretty late (Assize at 56 and Thin Air at 62) compared to SCH/AST whom get some MP tools at level 6 and 30 respectively. In addition to their Lucid (Also, SCH gets their free healz from Lily)
    Moving tetra down to before 60 would help too. Most of the time dungeons aren't that healing intensive but lack of a ogcd heal skill (so 0 mp) can be a bit tough, honestly though at that point bringing tetra in line with ED which makes AST and WHM more alike - not necessarily a good thing to aim for.

    Still even running dry has options of not dpsing for a little to get some mp back - or yelling at RDM/BLM/SMN/BRD/MCH for juice. Lack of mp management doesn't make the job "hard" and wasn't it Yoshida himself that said they didn't expect healers to dps? You really have to go out of your way to dps to get close to running out with lucid, or have a tank in bad gear, or have dps who stand in everything - at which point it's really not the healer's problem

    Relative to AST or SCH I just don't see how WHM can be considered so "hard" that it needs to be made "easier". Mobility really is the only thing that stands out.
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  8. #58
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    Ceasaria Pheonixia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hustensaft View Post
    A more detailed version of the OP-quote: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...w_with_yoship/ Don't really know what to say here?

    Between thinking that WHM is to hard and they want to make it easier, and that SCH is strong because of the fairy... kind of shows how little understanding they have of their healer jobs...
    They are totally right for the SCH, he is the main issue since the beginning. How do you want to do a separation between HoT and shield type healer, when SCH do already both ?
    Auto Embrace is too strong because it's a free mono regen.
    Whispering Dawn allow to give a strong free AOE HoT every min.
    And again, Crit adlo (even without crit) deployed is too strong.
    That and other abilities make him too valuable.

    But I agree with you for the WHM part (or maybe he is talking about lilies and the fact you are less free to move as the two others).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jirah View Post
    All I want is one expansion where they reanalyze the jobs and make massive adjustments to unhomogenize them. This is Final Fantasy 14 not Club penguin I dont wish for jobs that only have 5 buttons going for them or play exactly the same as 2/3 other jobs.
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    This current card system needs to be unwritten, destroyed and never returned.

  9. #59
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    Gyokuro Sencha
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    Odin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ceasaria View Post
    Auto Embrace is too strong because it's a free mono regen.

    Whispering Dawn allow to give a strong free AOE HoT every min.
    SCH MP costs are signficantly higher - you'd have a point if SCH spells would cost as little as the other two healing jobs. A WHM with 45 sec assize does hardly run OOM, a SCH with a 45 sec Aetherflow still can. There is no "free" healing provided by the fairy. (also remember that they had to reduce manacosts in 4.05 or 4.1 - because the situation was that bad - even though "free healing" AND a newly added lucid dreaming)

    If they really want to nerf fairy, they should get rid of Rouse. That alone is a 10% nerf to all fairy healing, even more as rouse syncs quite perfectly with whispering dawn.

    And again, Crit adlo (even without crit) deployed is too strong.
    Crit = double shield should've been removed a long time ago...
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    Last edited by Hustensaft; 03-25-2019 at 08:59 AM.

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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Scholars are going to get nuked so hard ><
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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