Please be responsible and don't act like children - (my two cents)

[Lacan]

I mean, you can spin it any way you like but not adding a race based solely on the idea that male bunnies would be "weird" is pretty sexist/homophobic. It implies that men can't be associated with certain traits that women can be. Imagine if they made it so that girl characters couldn't play the warrior job because wielding such a heavy weapon would be "weird" for a girl to do.

I just wanna know how making a half naked lion man is less "weird" than guys with bunny ears. I don't get it. If people see sexism and homophobia in the situation, let them. You're not in any place to tell them what they're feeling isn't valid. I get wanting things to calm down, but telling people that their mindset is false and imaginary isn't the way to go about it.

Side note, why is it that so many people complaining about people complaining are female au ra? :v Strange pattern.

[LordKoumori]

I mean, you can spin it any way you like but not adding a race based solely on the idea that male bunnies would be "weird" is pretty sexist/homophobic. It implies that men can't be associated with certain traits that women can be. Imagine if they made it so that girl characters couldn't play the warrior job because wielding such a heavy weapon would be "weird" for a girl to do.

Except nowhere have they said that they're not adding Male Viera because it would be "weird". As I pointed out, they never dismissed the possibility of adding male Viera in the future.

[Lacan]

Except nowhere have they said that they're not adding Male Viera because it would be "weird". As I pointed out, they never dismissed the possibility of adding male Viera in the future.

someone post Yoshi's interview from 2013 pls.

Nevermind, found it:

Yoshi interview from 2013
https://www.siliconera.com/2013/02/2...jg8o6pCcXIo.99

Q38: In terms of new races, what kind of races are you looking into and will mixed races be introduced?
A38: I don’t think we’ll have mixed races for a while. Since it seems like Viera is popular around the world we have been proactively looking into this, but since having a rabbit male might be kind of weird, maybe we’ll look into having a separate race for the male counterpart.

[LordKoumori]

someone post Yoshi's interview from 2013 pls.

Nevermind, found it:

Fair point. However, while this discussion could spill further into a whole discussion about the difference in cultures between the East and West, and also about people's own personal opinions (I'd rather it didn't), it doesn't change the fact that if we make our voices heard in a respectable manner, and present our wishes in respectful way, a compromise may be reached, much like the male bunny outfit compromise was met.

[Lacan]

Fair point. However, while this discussion could spill further into a whole discussion about the difference in cultures between the East and West, and also about people's own personal opinions (I'd rather it didn't), it doesn't change the fact that if we make our voices heard in a respectable manner, and present our wishes in respectful way, a compromise may be reached, much like the male bunny outfit compromise was met.

Of course it would be nice if everyone could do this in a respectable manner. It'd also be nice if everything was made out of chocolate and gooey gumdrops. :v I just don't think it's realistic. That's just how the FF XIV community is. "Great community btw" indeed. I'm just saying that telling people, "how do you think it is sexist/homophobic? It totally isn't sexist/homophobic." isn't going to do anything for anyone. Just adds more fuel to the fire because not only do they feel slighted by SE, but now you've got other community members blanketly dismissing their issues at the same time.

The dev team made this choice, they've got to deal with the fallout from it. I don't feel bad for them in the slightest over it.

[LordKoumori]

Of course it would be nice if everyone could do this in a respectable manner. It'd also be nice if everything was made out of chocolate and gooey gumdrops. :v I just don't think it's realistic. That's just how the FF XIV community is. "Great community btw" indeed. I'm just saying that telling people, "how do you think it is sexist/homophobic? It totally isn't sexist/homophobic." isn't going to do anything for anyone. Just adds more fuel to the fire because not only do they feel slighted by SE, but now you've got other community members blanketly dismissing their issues at the same time.

The dev team made this choice, they've got to deal with the fallout from it. I don't feel bad for them in the slightest over it.

Just because something doesn't seem realistic doesn't mean you should strive for it. I believe in people treating everyone fairly and generally just being good people. It might not be realistic but it's what I choose to believe in. And for that reason I think we should encourage people to be respectable about the situation rather that shrugging and saying "some people are like that" and letting them get on with it. Again drawing parallels to my career here, but we don't just ignore children bullying others because some kids are like that. We scold them for it and teach them to be respectful to others. And I'm not dismissing their issues at all, I'm encouraging them to be more respectful about voicing their issues, because the way they're going about it is what's going to nothing for them.

[Alacran]

Fair point. However, while this discussion could spill further into a whole discussion about the difference in cultures between the East and West, and also about people's own personal opinions (I'd rather it didn't), it doesn't change the fact that if we make our voices heard in a respectable manner, and present our wishes in respectful way, a compromise may be reached, much like the male bunny outfit compromise was met.

You can defend them as much as you want. It doesn't change the fact that they could have said something after the Female Viera announcement, like it the missing genders would come in time, they wanted to give players more diversity and as such more options in regards to race differences, they wanted to perfect the races missing genders due to their body proportions being extremely different to what we currently had in game, ect...

Instead the hid the truth, remained silent while a great deal of the player base made obvious their expectations, and and cited their own established lore to validate their stance, after they have already thrown out that same lore for other races.

Respect is supposed to be earned, Yoshi P has gone a long way to get that from the community, that's why this stings so much. I expected better from him. He let his bias choose the outcome here and hid it until the final fan fest in Tokyo with no explanation in the face of fan excitement. As i see it he hid the truth until he knew player wouldn't call him out on it while on stage. Blizzard taught many developers something very valuable. Make sure your audience can't/ wont call you out to your face.

[Aramina]

You can defend them as much as you want. It doesn't change the fact that they could have said something after the Female Viera announcement, like it the missing genders would come in time, they wanted to give players more diversity and as such more options in regards to race differences, they wanted to perfect the races missing genders due to their body proportions being extremely different to what we currently had in game, ect...

Instead the hid the truth, remained silent while a great deal of the player base made obvious their expectations, and and cited their own established lore to validate their stance, after they have already thrown out that same lore for other races.

Respect is supposed to be earned, Yoshi P has gone a long way to get that from the community, that's why this stings so much. I expected better from him. He let his bias choose the outcome here and hid it until the final fan fest in Tokyo with no explanation in the face of fan excitement. As i see it he hid the truth until he knew player wouldn't call him out on it while on stage. Blizzard taught many developers something very valuable. Make sure your audience can't/ wont call you out to your face.

This I agree with. It should have been nipped in the bud early.

[LordKoumori]

You can defend them as much as you want. It doesn't change the fact that they could have said something after the Female Viera announcement, like it the missing genders would come in time, they wanted to give players more diversity and as such more options in regards to race differences, they wanted to perfect the races missing genders due to their body proportions being extremely different to what we currently had in game, ect...

Instead the hid the truth, remained silent while a great deal of the player base made obvious their expectations, and and cited their own established lore to validate their stance, after they have already thrown out that same lore for other races.

Respect is supposed to be earned, Yoshi P has gone a long way to get that from the community, that's why this stings so much. I expected better from him. He let his bias choose the outcome here and hid it until the final fan fest in Tokyo with no explanation in the face of fan excitement. As i see it he hid the truth until he knew player wouldn't call him out on it while on stage. Blizzard taught many developers something very valuable. Make sure your audience can't/ wont call you out to your face.

Now I have thought about why this was the case for a while, and while I agree, I think they probably should have taken more tact with it, I believe the reason nothing was said was because they genuinely wanted to surprise us with Hrothgar. If they told us there'd be no male Viera from the get go, effectively the mindset of people would have followed the train of thought of "that's not right, they can't just put a female race in... wait a minute... they're not they're putting in a male race as well!"
Sadly two big things kinda went against this, firstly the gaps between the fan fests were too long causing the hype for Male Viera to spiral out of control. Secondly the Hrothgar had been leaked twice, firstly by BLUFever and secondly by the French localisation team. So while I believe their intentions behind the secrecy was good natured, I think that the situation and reality worked against them. So I'd say their fault in this was not apply damage control to the situation and just continuing on with the surprise.

[Leomoon]

You can defend them as much as you want. It doesn't change the fact that they could have said something after the Female Viera announcement, like it the missing genders would come in time, they wanted to give players more diversity and as such more options in regards to race differences, they wanted to perfect the races missing genders due to their body proportions being extremely different to what we currently had in game, ect...

Instead the hid the truth, remained silent while a great deal of the player base made obvious their expectations, and and cited their own established lore to validate their stance, after they have already thrown out that same lore for other races.

Respect is supposed to be earned, Yoshi P has gone a long way to get that from the community, that's why this stings so much. I expected better from him. He let his bias choose the outcome here and hid it until the final fan fest in Tokyo with no explanation in the face of fan excitement. As i see it he hid the truth until he knew player wouldn't call him out on it while on stage. Blizzard taught many developers something very valuable. Make sure your audience can't/ wont call you out to your face.

I am sorry but Blizzard making a huge deal of releasing a Diablo game then only to show its mobile release is whole country lengths different then what SE has done.