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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsalmaveth View Post
    It isn't the player's job to create a new class. That is their job. And if they can design the DPS to be 'unique'... why is it so hard to do 4 tanks...? Or are the tanks all so... unique? Or does that suddenly not matter in this conversation?

    Either way, leaving the healers sitting in a fatigued state and now these players being told to just 'be happy with what you have after they dust it off and slap some varnish on it with these refurbishes' is a bit unfair. No, it's COMPLETELY unfair. Stop telling us to 'settle'. We have a right to be unhappy AND to voice it on the forums, where this feedback is SUPPOSED to go. They WANT our feedback. They have since 1.0 and they have with the launch of 2.0. Do not slap down people who want to provide their opinions and reasons. If you disagree, that's fine. But the healers have a right to be frustrated and upset that they have been denied content now for 2 full expansions with really shoddy reasoning. I think the worst part was that the reasoning for it was found in interviews and not even provided at the actual fanfest were fans could find out first hand.

    As for this particular thread? This was well written and from a legacy player who has obviously put a LOT of time and love into the game. Step off ragging on them.
    I think the problem is that people equate all dps together and do dps vs tank vs healers getting new jobs. Like if you don't want to branch off of healer and play something else to get refreshed, don't expect bard/mch to do the same. They were in a worse boat than healers so they got one. Tanks and healers were in the same spot and they chose tanks. That's it. I get why people are upset about it, but that's kinda just how these things go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cicatriz313 View Post
    I think the problem is that people equate all dps together and do dps vs tank vs healers getting new jobs. Like if you don't want to branch off of healer and play something else to get refreshed, don't expect bard/mch to do the same. They were in a worse boat than healers so they got one. Tanks and healers were in the same spot and they chose tanks. That's it. I get why people are upset about it, but that's kinda just how these things go.
    I am FULLY aware of the 'RDPS' breakdown and how they were upset. My opinion was that we did not need to get SAM at all in SB. THAT should have been an RDPS slot. (Sorry SAMs... but it should have been an RDPS.) And MCH needs to be fixed.

    They've had FOUR YEARS to balance healers and they have failed. They continue to whine they they don't have us balanced and they refuse to provide us new content and leave us where we are, giving a 10th dps (yes, split them up however you want, it's still a 10th dps) and a 4th tank... create a limited class... and have failed to figure out what to do with healers to fix their mistakes. Healers have a right to come into the forums and say 'do something we are tired of this'. That is what these forums are for. They are making the players UNHAPPY.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsalmaveth View Post
    I am FULLY aware of the 'RDPS' breakdown and how they were upset. My opinion was that we did not need to get SAM at all in SB. THAT should have been an RDPS slot. (Sorry SAMs... but it should have been an RDPS.) And MCH needs to be fixed.

    They've had FOUR YEARS to balance healers and they have failed. They continue to whine they they don't have us balanced and they refuse to provide us new content and leave us where we are, giving a 10th dps (yes, split them up however you want, it's still a 10th dps) and a 4th tank... create a limited class... and have failed to figure out what to do with healers to fix their mistakes. Healers have a right to come into the forums and say 'do something we are tired of this'. That is what these forums are for. They are making the players UNHAPPY.
    Okay well, good luck to you lol. Literally didn't say you don't have a right to complain so really all you're doing is making people less sympathetic by putting words in people's mouths.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cicatriz313 View Post
    Okay well, good luck to you lol. Literally didn't say you don't have a right to complain so really all you're doing is making people less sympathetic by putting words in people's mouths.
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    Not. Your. Blog.
    Quote Originally Posted by cicatriz313 View Post
    This isn't feedback. Feedback is posting on one of the threads already talking about this that hey I want a healer too. This is a Tumblr post.
    Hm, maybe I just can't read, but it seems like you are discouraging people from complaining.

    Quote Originally Posted by cicatriz313 View Post
    Yeah, because it's a wall of text tumblr post in a sea of complaint threads. But I digress, have fun being upset.
    Then don't read it, you plum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doozer View Post
    Hm, maybe I just can't read, but it seems like you are discouraging people from complaining.



    Then don't read it, you plum.
    ITT: "I'm allowed to voice my opinion stop trying to silence me!" "Silence you have opinions against me!" Nothing in my posts say don't complain, I said this isn't a blog, and feedback is posting a succinct message in a thread that's already there. But you already linked that so.... ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cicatriz313 View Post
    ITT: "I'm allowed to voice my opinion stop trying to silence me!" "Silence you have opinions against me!" Nothing in my posts say don't complain, I said this isn't a blog, and feedback is posting a succinct message in a thread that's already there. But you already linked that so.... ?
    Do you not know what the word 'discourage' means? Again, I shouldn't have to explain it to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsalmaveth View Post
    I am FULLY aware of the 'RDPS' breakdown and how they were upset. My opinion was that we did not need to get SAM at all in SB. THAT should have been an RDPS slot. (Sorry SAMs... but it should have been an RDPS.) And MCH needs to be fixed.

    They've had FOUR YEARS to balance healers and they have failed. They continue to whine they they don't have us balanced and they refuse to provide us new content and leave us where we are, giving a 10th dps (yes, split them up however you want, it's still a 10th dps) and a 4th tank... create a limited class... and have failed to figure out what to do with healers to fix their mistakes. Healers have a right to come into the forums and say 'do something we are tired of this'. That is what these forums are for. They are making the players UNHAPPY.
    SAM was a perfect fit for the eastern theme we had in SB.

    So while I don't care about healing but will be happy for them they add one stop throwing bullshit around because you didn't get what you want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hasana View Post
    SAM was a perfect fit for the eastern theme we had in SB.

    So while I don't care about healing but will be happy for them they add one stop throwing bullshit around because you didn't get what you want.
    I don't care what the class is 'called' I'm just going from the 'class balance' pov. I don't mind the SAM at all. Even if people rag on it atm for not being balanced well for the precious 'meta' (I'm not a hard core raider at all, I avoid savage content, though I do the rest of the raid stuff up to it.) I'm simply pointing out that the balance of classes for dps breakdown of meleedps, rdps, magicdps etc... that people are going on about. That is all. SB had TWO dps added. One of them should have been a RDPS to balance things. It wasn't... so now when a tank is added... instead of having things balanced where the healers are being brought up to speed along with the tanks, the RDPS have to be brought up... leaving the healers out for 2 full expansions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsalmaveth View Post
    I don't care what the class is 'called' I'm just going from the 'class balance' pov. I don't mind the SAM at all. Even if people rag on it atm for not being balanced well for the precious 'meta' (I'm not a hard core raider at all, I avoid savage content, though I do the rest of the raid stuff up to it.) I'm simply pointing out that the balance of classes for dps breakdown of meleedps, rdps, magicdps etc... that people are going on about. That is all. SB had TWO dps added. One of them should have been a RDPS to balance things. It wasn't... so now when a tank is added... instead of having things balanced where the healers are being brought up to speed along with the tanks, the RDPS have to be brought up... leaving the healers out for 2 full expansions.
    By that logic, if Sam wasn't added in 4.0, melee dps would be the ones waiting 6 years for a job, as one was not added in 3.0.

    See how this goes? Also, not all dps are the same. Most people who I know who play casters can't stand melee dps. I for sure can't stand casters as someone who has enjoyed melee more. As for tanks, I played PLD for 4 years, until 4.0. They ruined pld for me in stormblood, and it was the lesser choice in heavensward between drk and war. So don't act like healers are the only one who dont get what they want. Unless it's whm. They really messed up whm....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    By that logic, if Sam wasn't added in 4.0, melee dps would be the ones waiting 6 years for a job, as one was not added in 3.0.

    See how this goes? Also, not all dps are the same. Most people who I know who play casters can't stand melee dps. I for sure can't stand casters as someone who has enjoyed melee more. As for tanks, I played PLD for 4 years, until 4.0. They ruined pld for me in stormblood, and it was the lesser choice in heavensward between drk and war. So don't act like healers are the only one who dont get what they want. Unless it's whm. They really messed up whm....
    Actually they got NIN in 2.4 so it would have made more sense to add a RDPS instead of SAM since SAM is #4 while RDPS still had 2, even though they had gotten MCH in HW. So it was more of a business decision than actually trying to balance it out since RDM was also #3. Same as DNC really.
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    Last edited by Vaer; 03-25-2019 at 03:35 AM.

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