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    i get that there hasnt been much growth in your chosen field.

    but, i wonder what exactly would you want from a new healer? I feel like the reason they have no new healers is because there isnt much a new healer would bring to the table. Unless they were willing to make some healer types that bend or push the combat system overall.

    i agree that dps isnt drastically different either, but dps can be allowed to be bad, tank and healer are generally designed where as long as you try, you will probably be adequate.


    to summarize, what are you looking for in a new healer other than existing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Physic View Post
    i get that there hasnt been much growth in your chosen field.

    but, i wonder what exactly would you want from a new healer? I feel like the reason they have no new healers is because there isnt much a new healer would bring to the table. Unless they were willing to make some healer types that bend or push the combat system overall.

    i agree that dps isnt drastically different either, but dps can be allowed to be bad, tank and healer are generally designed where as long as you try, you will probably be adequate.


    to summarize, what are you looking for in a new healer other than existing?
    That's because they are stuck trying to force a regen/raw (WHM) + shielder comp (SCH) and they actually have one job that can do both. (AST) So they caused this problem themselves because they decided they wanted to stick with the regen + shield comp and haven't tried to change it since AST was released, and they have to balance AST against both WHM AND SCH for two different slots in the same comp.

    Even though SCH is supposed to be a less efficient on demand healer (they have a lot of spike on cooldowns) since it is designed to be a preventive healer, the fairy itself does enough healing since a lot of stuff in the game doesn't hit very hard. So the fairy ends up a problem, too.

    All of this compounds with fight design, where healers can DPS 65-80+% of the time, which means a high power mp efficient healer like White Mage doesn't shine as much in it's supposed advantages leading to people to fall back to utility which they lack and the other two healers bring causing more balance problems.

    From where I'm sitting the lack of healer variety is their fault. If they can't figure out how to remove regen + shield comp, remove a sect from AST and add a 4th healer to fit the open slot. (Trying to balance AST vs WHM and SCH and another healer would be a disaster) or, remove the reliance on shields (perhaps shuffle more of it to tanks) and open up the healer mechanics a bit more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaer View Post
    From where I'm sitting the lack of healer variety is their fault. If they can't figure out how to remove regen + shield comp, remove a sect from AST and add a 4th healer to fit the open slot. (Trying to balance AST vs WHM and SCH and another healer would be a disaster) or, remove the reliance on shields (perhaps shuffle more of it to tanks) and open up the healer mechanics a bit more.
    They can make it so that the healers all have some capabilities regarding regen and shield, and then make the differences something else.
    AST has its cards, they can find something else unique to WHM and SCH. Then they can add another healers (also with regen and shield capabilities) with different unique trait from the current three.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Physic View Post
    what are you looking for in a new healer other than existing?
    I know this question was aimed at Miste, but I am going to chime in anyway.

    Content

    Even if a 4th healer was just a carbon copy of another healer. *cough* AST *cough* The job still gets its own content, which includes but not limited to: new job quests, new NPCs, new lore, new abilities, new animations, new AF armor, new glamour options that pertain to the job, new learning experiences, and in the case of tanks - a new mount. With the mention of that last one, I really hope the dev team acknowledges what they are putting healer mains through, and do give us a specific mount as some kind of consolation or something. Just anything to let us know that they acknowledge our woes.

    But your post tells me that you are likely not a healer main, and/or are not as invested in the healer role as Miste and the rest of us are. We will never be the poster job for any expansion. We hardly get any MSQ recognition whatsoever. Our expectations in group play are high, and commendations are low in comparison to those expectations. We are the hearts that beat inside the chest of an mmo and it is REALLY easy to feel underappreciated after putting 100% effort into this role.

    To put it simply: It just isn't fair.

    Hopefully that sheds a little light.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    I know this question was aimed at Miste, but I am going to chime in anyway.

    Content

    Even if a 4th healer was just a carbon copy of another healer. *cough* AST *cough* The job still gets its own content, which includes but not limited to: new job quests, new NPCs, new lore, new abilities, new animations, new AF armor, new glamour options that pertain to the job, new learning experiences, and in the case of tanks - a new mount. With the mention of that last one, I really hope the dev team acknowledges what they are putting healer mains through, and do give us a specific mount as some kind of consolation or something. Just anything to let us know that they acknowledge our woes.

    But your post tells me that you are likely not a healer main, and/or are not as invested in the healer role as Miste and the rest of us are. We will never be the poster job for any expansion. We hardly get any MSQ recognition whatsoever. Our expectations in group play are high, and commendations are low in comparison to those expectations. We are the hearts that beat inside the chest of an mmo and it is REALLY easy to feel underappreciated after putting 100% effort into this role.

    To put it simply: It just isn't fair.

    Hopefully that sheds a little light.
    nothing wrong with that.

    what you seem to be saying, is as healer main, you want some new toys, like everyone else, even if it isnt that original. You want some new flavors, lore and a reason to level a new job.

    in that case the job design isnt as important the content associated with it. I did come up with a new, and i think interesting possible healer job since i posted this, and it has some small background in FF. Chemist, or maybe aetherchemist for ffxiv. It would focus on mixing, and would have a bunch of close to midrange healing abilities and support. running around the field like a medic, and throwing heals at times.

    however, maybe thats too complicated and outside of how they want combat to play out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    I know this question was aimed at Miste, but I am going to chime in anyway.

    Content

    Even if a 4th healer was just a carbon copy of another healer. *cough* AST *cough* The job still gets its own content, which includes but not limited to: new job quests, new NPCs, new lore, new abilities, new animations, new AF armor, new glamour options that pertain to the job, new learning experiences, and in the case of tanks - a new mount. With the mention of that last one, I really hope the dev team acknowledges what they are putting healer mains through, and do give us a specific mount as some kind of consolation or something. Just anything to let us know that they acknowledge our woes.

    But your post tells me that you are likely not a healer main, and/or are not as invested in the healer role as Miste and the rest of us are. We will never be the poster job for any expansion. We hardly get any MSQ recognition whatsoever. Our expectations in group play are high, and commendations are low in comparison to those expectations. We are the hearts that beat inside the chest of an mmo and it is REALLY easy to feel underappreciated after putting 100% effort into this role.

    To put it simply: It just isn't fair.

    Hopefully that sheds a little light.

    This really tugs at my heartstrings.
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