Since Lore Suddenly Matters

[Canadane]

Since Viera are established in the Final Fantasy games already, Yoshi-P may not have even had a choice in the matter.
Even if we did, we got an entirely different race, which is awesome, and adds a lot of variety to the world when people chose to play these.

[QT_Melon]

Since Viera are established in the Final Fantasy games already, Yoshi-P may not have even had a choice in the matter.
Even if we did, we got an entirely different race, which is awesome, and adds a lot of variety to the world when people chose to play these.

13...years ago... and FFXIV is their take on it, which honestly could have been anything especially since that's what happened in tactics and not just 12.

[Astarotha]

the issue there is even if they had matsunos blessing and help the act of showing 14s version of a male viera (even if explicitly stated this was not an ivalician viera) would be applied by the community retroactively to what ivalician viera look like and muddle some of the mystery surrounding them in those games, if they couldve maybe swapped the names and have source be viis and first be viera with the more traditional outlook MAYBE that wouldve meshed better, but there are roundabout lore implications that would affect 12 and ffta that i think ultimately caused their decision to be one where they didnt step on matsunos toes

[Bright-Flower]

I mean, it's kinda crazy people expected two new races, with both genders and for those races and genders to both have two different clans. It's actually less about the lore and more about development time. I'm expecting the opposite gendered counterparts to be added in 6.0.

I didn't expect two full races. I think they should have made ONE full race instead of two halves.

[Veritas-Ancora]

Male Viera

If you're angry about Male Viera not being available in the game, there's over 29 pages of complaints within less than half a day (I didn't make it, but bless the person who did).

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...support/page29

Let's get it up over 50 and make it known that gender stereotypes aren't cool to reflect in race.

[DJMau]

They don't look Elezen, they look tall but they definitely don't have the really awkward necks. Tall =/= Elezen

Neither does Big = Roe

[Rocl]

Since Viera are established in the Final Fantasy games already, Yoshi-P may not have even had a choice in the matter.
Even if we did, we got an entirely different race, which is awesome, and adds a lot of variety to the world when people chose to play these.

I don't buy this when they literally just wrote new Lore regarding male Viera for 4.5 and when asked on twitter Matsuno denied having any say in the matter. Unless we're to believe Square Enix the company vetoed it. (Someone with better japanese skills can suss out the particulars if I'm wrong, but it sounded like Korean users were upset and spreading a rumour that Matsuno was against adding male viera and he denies it.)

https://twitter.com/YasumiMatsuno/st...97812078891008

I'm not particularly mad that viera themselves are gender-locked, but that any race is gender-locked is lame to me. Give me big burly leonine women too--I just can't understand the decision behind it. "It saves development time!" feels short when they could've just not done two races and only done one. Now it'll forever feel like the races are incomplete, to me at least. If we get some lore reveals about Hrothgar about why there's no women, I'll gladly eat my words, but I can't think of anything that'd fit the setting other than, like, XI-style galka asexuality, which is kind of like "why even call them dudes" at that point.

I also feel like I need a big disclaimer that I was overwhelmingly disappointed with this keynote so that may colour my judgement on the matter.

[Draginhikari]

Agreed. I might come back to 6.0 then. However let's be honest if they hadn't wasted so much time adding massively disliked content like limited jobs and Eureka's Baldesion Arsenal then they would have had more than enough time to design the full races. They gambled and they lost.

There is no evidence to suggest that if they dropped those things that they would have been able to complete other gender on these races and frankly, I think it's silly to suggest that it is. Simply because you didn't enjoy the content in question doesn't make it 'waste of time'.

[Kalise]

Plus, unless I'm mistaken did yoshi explicitly state that Male Viera would be a thing or was the fanbase projecting?

Yoshi didn't explicitly state anything about Male Viera.

Which is part of what lead to the expectation.

When asked about Male Viera at EU Fan Fest instead of outright saying "We currently have no plans to implement Male Viera" Yoshi said "Wait until next Fan Fest!" - Which is his usual way of saying "Yes, but we're not revealing it yet"

They also previously released concept art of Male Viera:



To finish things off, back when Miqo'te and Roe's were challenged about being genderlocked and subsequently changed to have both genders as playable characters, it was stated that they wouldn't do gender locked races again.

With, so far, the only notable evidence against the idea of Male Viera is a single quote from Yoshida back in 2013 when he said he didn't particularly like the idea of Male Viera (Due to the fact that "Bunny males might be weird" - Not because lore, not because lack of rights to Viera. But because they might be "Weird". Which strikes me as the same homophobic stance as "We don't want to add bunny suits for males because it makes us uncomfortable to work on")

So... You might argue that this is a case of "When you assume, you make an ass out of u and me"

But at the same time, Yoshida never explicitly stated his stance and has a history of using diversionary tactics to hand wave away questions about something until the big reveal.

[DRKoftheAzure]

Time constraints is the only justifiable defense at this point... It's just another "wait and see" approach...