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    Quote Originally Posted by Anesteria View Post
    No they can't Physic. ....



    let me try to make it more mathematical.

    according to Yoshida, in november


    Limited Job= Job whose design or concept does not mesh with normal ffxiv job/class/role/combat design.



    so, using the logical law of substitution
    Substitution is a fundamental concept in logic. A substitution is a syntactic transformation on formal expressions. To apply a substitution to an expression means to consistently replace its variable, or placeholder, symbols by other expressions. The resulting expression is called a substitution instance, or short instance, of the original expression.


    Would people have been upset if Blue mage was not a limited Job.


    subsititute


    would people have been upset if Blue mage was not a Job whose design or concept does not mesh with normal ffxiv job/class/role/combat design.

    And the answer is yes, because we have ALREADY seen people mad that existing jobs were changed to fit the overall framework of FFXIV design.




    now, you personally believe Yoshida is incorrect, and blue mage can be put into a ffxiv framework with no appreciable loss. OR you believe that such loss would be acceptable based on what sacrifices might be made the other way. That is a fair opinion to have. But it is an opinion, not a logical truism, or universally accepted concept.


    My entire beef with your opinion, is you seem to not understand it is an opinion, it is not a fact, the things you state as facts are not facts, they are guesses, suppositions, hopes, and fears.


    Your premise is Yoshida willfully sought to keep an awesome perfect ffxiv blue mage concept from players. Why? what would he gain by doing so? Is it possible that he believed that this iteration of blue mage was truer to what blue mage is about? Which is more likely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Physic View Post
    let me try to make it more mathematical.

    according to Yoshida, in november

    Limited Job= Job whose design or concept does not mesh with normal ffxiv job/class/role/combat design. .
    That is all manners of wrong Physic. The "limited job" did not exist before it was actually invented. Did helicopters on Earth exist before they were invented?

    And it's still no, because people can be mad at how things were introduced but they didn't envision the SYSTEM Square Enix was going to put into place. Which means they could complain about the current image, but the automatic response wasn't "This must then be turned into a limited job" BEFORE limited jobs existed in the game. The changes demanded would still NOT NECESSITATE a "limited job" system to acquiesce to the demands.

    It's this faulty pillar of "limited job" and what comes with it that is still perpetuated when it has no reason to exist, and it doesn't take much to make it crumble.

    And no, I don't think Yoshida wanted to withhold it the way you mean it. And as I said, regarding the usage of BLU IT'S LIKELY one of the options. That's what reading comprehension is, that's what I mean when I talk about Yoshida's responses in interviews. It is something everyone uses for no other reasons than just not being committed. You can look at interviews from high-profile managers in pretty much any industry, they're all purposefully and carefully choosing their words, Ion and Yoshi-P do the same. Because if they then personally, consistently fail as they try to justify the BUSINESS's decisions, then their credibility takes a hit, and what does it mean for their careers?

    Even then, the points I've committed to are the dismissal of SE's excuses, and the necessity to uphold the "limited job" system, because they're based on faulty logic and objectives.
    I am not 100% certain what their aim is/was, but I know for a fact, like others in this thread, that what they're advertising is not really what they're trying to sell us. Thus, everything that comes after is nothing more than a series of fabrications.

    The possibilities I presented earlier are potential scenarios that come as a result of certain decisions. What you're suggesting is that this decision came as a result of "mismanagement" (option A), which again I do not believe to be the case because SE should have learned from 1.0 to not release awfully incomplete content.
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    Last edited by Anesteria; 03-19-2019 at 03:17 AM.