Dungeons and iLvL pre 70 problems

[Rongway]

This problem has nothing to do with max level players. Heck, I would argue that newer players are more likely to screw it up, particularly in the lv51 and lv61 dungeons since the iLevel jump from the previous leveling dungeon is huge.

The problem is definitely not isolated to newer players. There are max level people leveling alt jobs who can't be bothered to keep their gear up. I've literally been told, "Nah I just want to get to 70 ASAP" after suggesting people put on some real gear, or even to do their job quests. Once I got matched with a BLM in The Vault (57+) who didn't have any of his job abilities after Blizzard III and was wearing iLv100-120 gear. He had several jobs at 70.

So to say as an absolute that this problem doesn't involve max level players is mistaken.


The extent of this problem will of course vary by data center and by the frequency that one queues without bringing friends along (exposing oneself to the possibility of ending up with a problematic party member), however, it is at the very least a problem that exists, and one that could be easily mitigated by just adding a min iLv requirement to each leveling dungeon.

[Raldo]

So to say as an absolute that this problem doesn't involve max level players is mistaken.

I don't disagree with anything you've said. I certainly did not mean to imply that max level players never do this. The OP indicated that being max level somehow conferred benefits that make someone more able to do this, and my point was that being max level is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. Players of all levels are capable of doing this.

The only instance of this that I remember well was a tank in the 51 dungeon, wearing primarily lv44~49 pink "Aetherial" gear. The dude couldn't last 3 hits before dying. Did he have a level 70 job? I don't remember. It's not relevant. Some people are just ignorant and/or unhelpful.

This problem is roughly equivalent to people who go in with nearly-or-completely broken gear. Should we also suggest putting a repair NPC at the entrance of dungeons? It would be nice.

[Seraph522]

I don't disagree with anything you've said. I certainly did not mean to imply that max level players never do this. The OP indicated that being max level somehow conferred benefits that make someone more able to do this, and my point was that being max level is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.

The only instance of this that I remember well was a tank in the 51 dungeon, wearing primarily lv44~49 pink "Aetherial" gear. The dude couldn't last 3 hits before dying. Did he have a level 70 job? I don't remember. It's not relevant. Some people are just ignorant and/or unhelpful.

This problem is roughly equivalent to people who go in with nearly-or-completely broken gear. Should we also suggest putting a repair NPC at the entrance of dungeons? It would be nice.

I think the main reason I've seen this discussion centering around alt jobs in the past has to do with the fact that the MSQ showers you with at least decent on-level gear, so when you're running through it for the first time, gear should only rarely be a problem, and sprouts that go into dungeons undergeared are often doing so deliberately. In contrast, when you're leveling your alt jobs, you don't have that influx of decent gear coming at you regularly (or at least, not at the same rate), and the MSQ has trained you to not bother seeking out good gear, so a lot of players leveling alt jobs will go in undergeared because they simply don't realize that gear makes a massive difference. Of course, anyone can enter leveling dungeons horrifically undergeared, which is the primary problem here and is absolutely something that needs to be fixed.

Once I got matched with a BLM in The Vault (57+) who didn't have any of his job abilities after Blizzard IV and was wearing iLv100-120 gear. He had several jobs at 70.

Alright, while I agree with your other points, this is a little confusing to me; the gear ilvl is bad, but Blizzard IV is the highest level ability BLMs will have access to in The Vault, as it level syncs you down to 58. Did you mean Blizzard III?

[Rongway]

Alright, while I agree with your other points, this is a little confusing to me; the gear ilvl is bad, but Blizzard IV is the highest level ability BLMs will have access to in The Vault, as it level syncs you down to 58. Did you mean Blizzard III?

I did mean Blizzard III, sorry. No Thunder III, Flare, or Heavensward abilities. Post edited.