Gender locked race?

[Theodric]

Don't forget that if the Viera is genderlocked; then Hrothgar would have simply been added due to the developers - or rather Yoshida and possibly Yasumi - not wanting male Viera seen because of the idea that rabbit men are weird; a backwards viewpoint in this day and age.

That's an entirely different can of worms. Non-Western countries are not obligated to conform to the exact same cultural standards as Western countries.

[Lauront]

That's an entirely different can of worms. Non-Western countries are not obligated to conform to the exact same cultural standards as Western countries.

I'd go further and even say this isn't some general western mindset but just a viewpoint which emerges from the west. I don't think it's necessarily backwards at all. At odds with what many of us are after? Maybe, but that's a different thing.

[Gwenorai]

That's an entirely different can of worms. Non-Western countries are not obligated to conform to the exact same cultural standards as Western countries.

It's not the differences in 'non-western' culture that bothers me. The game and Yoshida's culture being that of the east isn't my argument for it being 'old fashioned'. My argument is more that it's old fashioned for the times we live in regardless of east/west cultures.

I mean, I'm sure someone can correct me here; but isn't the idea of 'attractive' 'aesthetically pleasing' men actually very popular in Japan? To the point that most of the male protags in FF games have followed the troupe of being 'aesthetically pleasing' 'Cute' and 'Handsome'.

So what about the 'bunny men' is weird? What does Yoshida dislike about men that happened to have rabbit ears; this is where the old fashioned viewpoint comes in - some people view 'rabbit ears' and rabbits, in general, to be feminine. So a dude with bunny ears is instantly seen as 'flamboyant/gay/camp' - it's not just the east that has this 'viewpoint' but also in the west. This type of view is harmful and needs to go away. Of course this isn't me being the white knight of social justice, it's just something that I feel is unhealthy and/or silly.

I, however, don't want to jump the bandwagon and assume Yoshida is a bigot because he never really stated why a bunny man was weird, and I understand his argument regarding the 'cute' characteristic where a male Viera shouldn't be adorable but more rugged and fierce looking. I'm hoping his idea on 'weird' is due to the lore or perhaps because he's unsure if he should be the one implemented them or something. I don't know. Or perhaps just bad wording, he was responding on the fly - so yeah.

[cicatriz313]

So what about the 'bunny men' is weird? What does Yoshida dislike about men that happened to have rabbit ears; this is where the old fashioned viewpoint comes in - some people view 'rabbit ears' and rabbits, in general, to be feminine. So a dude with bunny ears is instantly seen as 'flamboyant/gay/camp' - it's not just the east that has this 'viewpoint' but also in the west. This type of view is harmful and needs to go away.

I mean, I don't think it's old fashioned though. It seems like a lot of the people so vocal about male Viera are gay men. So I guess to some it's desired BECAUSE of that link maybe? What's interesting to me is that in googling "bara cat" I found out that bara is actually made sometimes specifically for gay men. Learn something new every day.

[Tsumdere]

I mean, I don't think it's old fashioned though. It seems like a lot of the people so vocal about male Viera are gay men. So I guess to some it's desired BECAUSE of that link maybe? What's interesting to me is that in googling "bara cat" I found out that bara is actually made sometimes specifically for gay men. Learn something new every day.

It's a total aside, but most of the people I know that are vocal about male Viera are women. I shouldn't have to explain myself why this might be.

[artyport]

As a gay dude the thing is I just wanted a beautiful male race and viera are the perfect fit for that.
All the men in this game are cute or manly but there is a lack of beautiful men.

Also beautiful men are common throughout the game. Omega m/ sieryu both of them have the perfect faces and bodies...minus the snakes for viera men. Slim lean yet still powerful beautiful men.


That would fit so perfectly with the viera.

I hope masc bros get hrothgar but I certainly hope I get a beautiful slim male viera

[Duskane]

As a gay dude the thing is I just wanted a beautiful male race and viera are the perfect fit for that.
All the men in this game are cute or manly but there is a lack of beautiful men.

Also beautiful men are common throughout the game. Omega m/ sieryu both of them have the perfect faces and bodies...minus the snakes for viera men. Slim lean yet still powerful beautiful men.


That would fit so perfectly with the viera.

I hope masc bros get hrothgar but I certainly hope I get a beautiful slim male viera

well i think elezen males do fit the beautiful/elegant trope
but people are just put off by there animations
but i think having another option would be fine

[Allegor]

well i think elezen males do fit the beautiful/elegant trope
but people are just put off by there animations
but i think having another option would be fine

To be fair, male elezen have a very....petulant vibe to them. You can practically feel them judging your every breath. Also giraffe necks

[Lacan]

I mean, I don't think it's old fashioned though. It seems like a lot of the people so vocal about male Viera are gay men. So I guess to some it's desired BECAUSE of that link maybe? What's interesting to me is that in googling "bara cat" I found out that bara is actually made sometimes specifically for gay men. Learn something new every day.

Well, either male viera or hrothgar would to appeal to the gays, but I would say the hrothgar even more so if they're a male only race. :v Look at what happened with the galka in FF 11. They're still making doujins about them doing all sorts of things, if you know what I mean.

I want male viera just because I think the lore/culture of the race is cool. Doesn't have to do with gayness, though I can see to an extent why it is associated with that. It seems like straight guys play girl characters more than anything now, which leaves the girls and the gays as the majority who actually care what the males of a race look like.

[Theodric]

would to appeal to the gays,

We're not a hive mind.