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  1. #411
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    alimdia's Avatar
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    Ali Lifesaver
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    Gilgamesh
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    Marauder Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by xxSouxx View Post
    I'm only sharing with you what I see around me because I don't believe that people are so drastically different.
    Have you seen the raid clear rates between NA/EU and JP? http://luckybancho.ldblog.jp/archives/53012555.html

    The mentality between our and your players really is drastically different.
    (5)

  2. #412
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    Fyce's Avatar
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    Fyce Alvey
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    Cerberus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Physic View Post
    IF you wish to give up your seat for another, that is kind. But are you required to, or you should be punished/hated? no.
    You are right, being a nice person is not mandatory. You can be a jerk if you want. To some degree at least.
    On the other hand, you are wrong if you expect jerks to be treated fairly and nicely by others. This is not how human beings interact in a society. Heck, even most animal societies don't work like that.

    Disregarding basic social interactions just because the system allows you to be a jerk, or at least doesn't prevent you from being one, show how much you lack what a lot of people would consider core values in a social environment such as self-restraint, respect, empathy, kindness, etc.
    But you are still technically right. The system doesn't force you to be a nice person and have all the traits I just mentionned.
    The thing is, being technically right often means that you are wrong in practice, like here, as you don't take other aspects of the context in consideration such as the fact that you are playing with other human beings in a social environment.

    "The game let me be a jerk to others!" is not a good argument. It should be time for you to understand that after so many pages and so many people trying to explain it to you.
    If you display a bad behavior at a social level in a social environment, you should expect to receive the the social consequences you deserve. Regardless of how much leeway the system let you have in theory.
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  3. #413
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    DamianFatale's Avatar
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    Arctura Fengari
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    Balmung
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Just a warning to you all, I tried to do Hydatos, but then one of the members of the discord started copying and pasting the comments I made to the whole zone. No one would invite me to a NM, and now I can't finish my weapon. The discord is toxic, they actively seek out opponents of the discord, and they should be banned imo.
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  4. #414
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    Tsumdere's Avatar
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    Fia Mortivault
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    Balmung
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    Samurai Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by DamianFatale View Post
    Just a warning to you all, I tried to do Hydatos, but then one of the members of the discord started copying and pasting the comments I made to the whole zone. No one would invite me to a NM, and now I can't finish my weapon. The discord is toxic, they actively seek out opponents of the discord, and they should be banned imo.
    No one is targeting you, people just don't invite others to the NMs. This has happened to me many times and I just make my own parties or solo.

    FATE participation is about aggro generation so as a WHM you should be able to get gold by spamming the heck out of your abilities. Use every single heal you have on the MT and keep all the regens rolling.
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  5. #415
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    Alucard135's Avatar
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    Diaval Alucard
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    Cactuar
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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianFatale View Post
    Just a warning to you all, I tried to do Hydatos, but then one of the members of the discord started copying and pasting the comments I made to the whole zone. No one would invite me to a NM, and now I can't finish my weapon. The discord is toxic, they actively seek out opponents of the discord, and they should be banned imo.
    If you want to troll, at least put more effort and make a more believable story lol. (Before you reply just know you have so many holes in your story).
    (13)

  6. #416
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    HyoMinPark's Avatar
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    Hyomin Park
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    Cactuar
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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianFatale View Post
    Just a warning to you all, I tried to do Hydatos, but then one of the members of the discord started copying and pasting the comments I made to the whole zone. No one would invite me to a NM, and now I can't finish my weapon. The discord is toxic, they actively seek out opponents of the discord, and they should be banned imo.
    I’m sure you’re completely innocent in this entire transaction, yes? Didn’t make any snide remarks to them beforehand that would have prompted this behavior? Sounds to me like you aren’t telling the whole story here.

    Though, pray tell, why should anyone help a person who insists on calling any associated with the Discord “toxic”? Or who reported someone for not giving them a ride on a mount to an NM? You can’t expect people to help you after you insult them or threaten to have them reported for petty nonsense.
    (10)
    Last edited by HyoMinPark; 03-11-2019 at 11:52 AM.
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  7. #417
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    lvlagmarink's Avatar
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    Magmarink Dragregory
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    Moogle
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    Lancer Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Kuroka View Post
    Uhm she got dropped cause no one felt like it... that is kinda nasty? ofc you dont have to ride her, but you dont gotta just drop her from party... to accept that is low, rly low...
    How does that have anything to do with raiders? Given the circumtances being mentioned here that NA/EU raiders aka players who get into Hydatos for the sole purpose of doing BA, the majority of them would have been premade.. they have no reasons to invite someone lower than level 60 to their party to begin with, heck that only applies if the party isn't full to begin with.

    Quote Originally Posted by vp_cmc View Post
    Yes, not having a 2-seater mount in Eureka is the same as being undergeared in a dungeon
    Thankfully I have the only 2 seaters mount that can be obtained fully from in game play, cause aside from that mount, the others are p2w cash shop or obtained from promotional reward.

    Quote Originally Posted by DamianFatale View Post
    Just a warning to you all, I tried to do Hydatos, but then one of the members of the discord started copying and pasting the comments I made to the whole zone. No one would invite me to a NM, and now I can't finish my weapon. The discord is toxic, they actively seek out opponents of the discord, and they should be banned imo.
    While I do not condole the name shaming behaviour, truth be told that the comment you made about reporting players simply because they won't give you a ride makes me cautious that in case we interract one way or another, I will get reported for any reasons.
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  8. #418
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    lvlagmarink's Avatar
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    Magmarink Dragregory
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    Moogle
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    Lancer Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by xxSouxx View Post
    I'm sure fully organized discord groups would be more efficient, but the BA dungeon is not that difficult.
    It was, I do believe, meant for a ichi-go ichi-e (once in a life time meeting) party to tackle with all the inconvenience it entails and people were to use the logos to overcome that.
    Man.. let me tell you my latest BA run.. I was healing as scholar within a support group, so i joined midway from AV onwards. We didn't have any problems with AV, but during Ozma, one of the tank on right side platform suddenly died so we as a support needs to replace the tank and moved in as a group.. I typed in party chat to tell them that we need to move platform and yet 3 or 4 dps still stayed on the center platform.

    So to put it short, half of the party are in the main platform, while the other half are in the side platform which soon followed up by triangle form mechanic and their bleed.. Since I was their healer, i needed to go back and forth on the ring that connects the platform so i can dispel their bleed DoT.

    Meanwhile on the right side platform, I saw a dps with less than 20% hp, it took me like 10 secs to target this player since the said player is not in my party, and for that whole duration of 10 secs, the player didn't even use potions or having heals coming from their party whatsoever. So surely you can see this as something chaotic.

    But would this be boggling your mind if I tell you that this is marked as a reclear run, which should be described as only those with ozma clears are only allowed to join.. Now you can imagine having us to do PUGs for this content..

    Heck, during one of the Reclear run I had, the raid leader decided not to do callouts and dozen of players suddenly died left and right during owain and raiden.

    I also know for a fact that there are players (mostly dps) within the premade that barely do any damage as in they are like half afk or something, they usually answer very long in ready check, barely responding at all, and they also prompt to die by mechanics. Despite that, people still regularly bring them onto the premade.. for this reason, i still stress myself why we are being branded as ellitists where we still allow these kind of players to join the premade..
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    Last edited by lvlagmarink; 03-11-2019 at 12:22 PM.

  9. #419
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    DamianFatale's Avatar
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    Arctura Fengari
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    Balmung
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    I’m sure you’re completely innocent in this entire transaction, yes? Didn’t make any snide remarks to them beforehand that would have prompted this behavior? Sounds to me like you aren’t telling the whole story here.

    Though, pray tell, why should anyone help a person who insists on calling any associated with the Discord “toxic”? Or who reported someone for not giving them a ride on a mount to an NM? You can’t expect people to help you after you insult them or threaten to have them reported for petty nonsense.
    You are the ones who don't have the whole story.
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  10. #420
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    Hyomin Park
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    Cactuar
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    Sage Lv 92
    Quote Originally Posted by DamianFatale View Post
    You are the ones who don't have the whole story.
    Then tell it. All of it. Not just “People are mean because they said mean things and they should be banned”. That’s not a story.

    Provide some screenshots. Provide evidence. Feel free to post them here (with names redacted, of course) or send them to me on Discord.

    You can’t expect sympathy from people when you come into a thread crying about how “toxic” players in BA Discords are with no evidence — and in a thread where you said a few pages back you reported someone for not giving you a ride to an NM, no less.
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