Can we report the Baldesion Arsenal discord group?

[Xellos2099]

I haven't done Eureka yet, so I am just wondering from reading this.

So basically, some group decides to "schedule" a run at a time that is convenient for them, and they expect everyone else to just move aside because?
If I say only had two hours of playtime but a bunch of groups scheduled their runs in that time, I would be expected to not play because they made some random schedule that I didn't know about?

As I said, I haven't done Eureka at all, just trying to understand.

Not quite, the state of BA is basically, basically no one go in at all unless there is a big group going in. There are also multiple instance of Eureka running at the same time.

[HyoMinPark]

I haven't done Eureka yet, so I am just wondering from reading this.

So basically, some group decides to "schedule" a run at a time that is convenient for them, and they expect everyone else to just move aside because?
If I say only had two hours of playtime but a bunch of groups scheduled their runs in that time, I would be expected to not play because they made some random schedule that I didn't know about?

As I said, I haven't done Eureka at all, just trying to understand.

Speaking in terms of the Aether BA, they don't have set scheduled runs for all their runs (though there are scheduled runs that happen at set times, there are also non-scheduled runs). There are several times where multiple groups are running at the same time, usually during peak NA hours.

They take the time to gather the required people (48 people for frag runs and 56 for AV/Ozma prog or clears), and organize them into 6~7 parties, each party with their own leader. The Discord itself utilizes a queue bot where one can register for fragment runs, prog runs, or clear/farm runs, and the bot will ping them when groups set up and are searching for members. The parties then spend anywhere from a few minutes to a couple hours trying to get everyone into an instance that doesn't already have another group from the Discord in it. If there are missing members, they may opt to recruit from within the instance should anyone express interest, in which they extend an invite to the Discord as the entire group sits in voice chat for communication purposes.

Once in the instance, all they do is let players know that there's an Arsenal group in the instance and to please allow these players to take the portals upon Ovni's defeat, as they have spent time organizing together to run the content. They also extend Discord invites to anyone who expresses interest in running the content so that they may also participate in both "scheduled" and "non-scheduled" runs in the future.


On Aether at least, there seems to be very little interest in organizing BA groups within an instance or immediately after Ovni spawns/dies. At most, a dozen or so may wander into the dungeon if a premade isn't already there, but they won't get far with 12~20 people (that's the most I've seen in BA that weren't premade). Most BA groups tend to be pre-planned within the BA Discord.

The content itself warns that you will need to communicate and cooperate with other players in order to successfully complete the content, and this was how NA/EU chose to communicate and cooperate. JP does both, as far as I know - both instance PUGs and premades.

[kyomaZZ]

just make eureka a pvp area, got a problem with others stealing portal or spot?, call ur whole FC and smash them

[Adrestia]

Not quite, the state of BA is basically, basically no one go in at all unless there is a big group going in. There are also multiple instance of Eureka running at the same time.

Further to this, and this is the very sad but true state of BA: If you only had 2 hours to play, chances are you wouldn’t get to run BA at all. Trying to just pug your way into BA through random players in the instance, you might find one group a week, if you’re lucky. And then it’s 30 mins to spawn and kill Ovni, a few minutes for portals to go active, a few minutes in the zone setting up buffs and logos actions, trash clearing, time to explain the bosses, etc.

In fact, your best odds would be joining a Discord, reading all the guides they offer and talking to people to get help in your offtime, and then when you have those 2 hours to play, try to use one of the LFG bots and ask around to see if a group is going soon in the time you can play.

Your second best odds would be just reading the guides when you can and hoping to bump into a Discord group who has free portals to offer up. This is how I got into my first run. The people on Discord are, by and large, super helpful and will help explain important stuff as you go. Honestly in groups I’ve been in, they’ve been just as supportive to cute newbees who took portals not knowing how it all worked. There are a couple people on Aether who stalk organized groups just to take portals to troll, but no player has any actual power to do anything about that but report. I have heard the occasional person in voice or party chat joke about how we should try to get trolls killed, but those are rare exceptions who don’t “get” the rules and etiquettte of the Discord, and they get told flatly that that’s not how it’s done.

So basically, how you choose to get in is up to you, but your best (practically, only) odds of getting anywhere productive in BA are enhanced by the work the Discord groups do to help groups form.

E: forgot to actually post the original point I was trying to respond with. Because there’s no proper in-game support for getting a large, viable group into a Hydatos instance that’s ready to spawn Ovni for you, even if you do everything right, it could be hours of bad luck zoning in and out before the game decides you get to actually try to play. So with only 2 hours, you might never zone in.

[Alucard135]

I haven't done Eureka yet, so I am just wondering from reading this.

So basically, some group decides to "schedule" a run at a time that is convenient for them, and they expect everyone else to just move aside because?
If I say only had two hours of playtime but a bunch of groups scheduled their runs in that time, I would be expected to not play because they made some random schedule that I didn't know about?

As I said, I haven't done Eureka at all, just trying to understand.

I'll try to explain it in a simple way. There is a difficult optional content at the end of Eureka's final map, called Baldesion Arsenal (BA), that requires 56 players to do. To enter you need to go through a special portal. There's no queuing system for that. Anyone in the instance that is elemental level 60 (Eureka has its own leveling system) can simply just use a portal and go in. However, if you were to enter solo by yourself, you can easily get killed there and delevel and on top of that, you can't be raised by normal raise spells (you either need to have an item that gives you a 70% chance of coming back to life popped before you die or a healer uses an item to sacrifice themselves so that you can be raised).

Before going into the content you will have to read and agree to this message from SE

The entry requirements for this duty are extremely strict, as savage bosses, devious traps, and an effect that prevents resurrection by certain means all await you within.

The Baldesion Arsenal will present a unique challenge to even the most storied of adventurers, no matter how easily they have forged a path through Eureka thus far. Entry in itself will be difficult, and once inside, you must expect to face many a bitter defeat before ever tasting victory.

To clear the dungeon, adventurers will need wisdom, bravery, strength, perseverance, trust in their companions...and a whole lot of time.

So since this requires 56 players to do and due to the harsh penalties associated with failing, people didn't bother doing it. Some just entered BA and left without going further. This is when people started using discord to organize groups and try to get in the same instance together to be able to do BA. After the discord groups gained so much momentum and a lot of people managed to clear BA, the issue of snipers started appearing. Snipers are players that take a portal when they know there's a discord group planning on doing BA. If there was no discord group, they don't bother touching BA. This started the war on the forums if sniping is against TOS or not. And the reply that you'll hear is "no one owns the portals", which they're right about. So the premades decided no to bother with the sniper and if they died, they won't bother raising them due to the penalties I mentioned that are associated with raising and also due to the fact that they can wipe the entire run if they don't know what they're doing. So now the snipers are demanding that the premade group has to heal them and raise them if they died, which the premade has no obligation to do so in the first place and nor is it against TOS if they didn't.

And now you have OP's post here trying to paint the discord groups as evil for not bothering to raise his friend (and of course you have holes in the story and the spices added about them cheering and telling the entire instance not to raise her) that took a portal that they know another player was trying to get in to do BA with their friends. They practiced their right to take a portal. And the group practiced their right to not accept them in a party or bother healing or raising them. But no, OP is upset that another group did something that they have full right of doing so.

Now you might ask "Why not just accept the snipers into a party and be done with it?". The issue with that is that BA bosses have mechanics that can easily kill the entire run from the mistake of a single player. And if the sniper has no idea what they're doing, they can easily, and have done so before, wipe a run.

So it's not like it's a content that everyone can simply start and do easily and that the discord group just barged in and decided to do it and prevent anyone else from doing it. It's a difficult content that requires you to gather a large number of players just to attempt to start it and if you can't, there's no point in going in. The snipers just take advantage that there's already a group that want to do that and try to force their way between them. They got what they wanted, but don't like it when their decision ends up biting them back and die there lol.

[AnnaMolly]

Also, the popular idea is it's better to invite and help those interested than create a "sniper" so discord peeps have plenty of incentive to invite and to help. Even after clearing you can still get fragments for other jobs, cloths or seals, minions, etc.

[Lacan]

I know this isn't really the place for it, I'd just like to say I did the thing:


and i'm eternally grateful for the discord group, because I couldn't have done it without them. I'll treasure my precious orb forever.

[Alucard135]

I know this isn't really the place for it, I'd just like to say I did the thing:


and i'm eternally grateful for the discord group, because I couldn't have done it without them. I'll treasure my precious orb forever.

Congrats! From Ozma prog to Ozma clear in one day lol.

[Lacan]

Congrats! From Ozma prog to Ozma clear in one day lol.

The trick is to believe in yourself, be nice/helpful to people, and don't panic! If I can do it anyone can.

Oh, and patience. :v

[Defmetal]

Rezzing your friend means someone else has to sacrifice themselves to do it. For someone not on discord, hell I wouldn't raise them.