Can we report the Baldesion Arsenal discord group?

[TheGrimace]

We had something similar to that story happen in Primal yesterday. It didn't end well for anyone because we were really hoping for some healers to be able to come in with the support group so they could bring Sacs. They got sniped, and one of the snipers refused to join a party for LB3 or heals, acting like we were going to try to "MPK" him. I don't even know how that would work in Absolute Virtue. Look, we want as many warm bodies as we can get. If you're going to take a portal from someone else who actively plans to help, at least know what you're doing and be willing to assist the other players by joining parties when offered. Discord players have a live and let live approach. We may not approve of certain actions, but people will act for the greater good. No one gets anything out of purposely fumbling an existing run.

[Physic]

though you say this, there are many who actively promote that premades want you to die, i have seen it ingame in map chat and in many of the responses in here, so its not surprising they believed it was a trap, a bit paranoid, but its based on what they see in game when things go wrong.

Imo, when discord changes its stereotype from being hostile to "snipers" you will see the vast majority of beef and complaints dwindle.

[Physic]

Thin

So what's the tl;dr here?
Not cooperating and sharing raid bosses is nothing new. It's not caused by "kids these days." It's not caused by "WoW players infecting my precious FFXIV." It's something that has never in the history of mainstream MMOs worked. Baldesion Arsenal as a "public dungeon" was a fundamentally flawed idea (even though I love the zone itself and think it's really fun . . . once you get in). Eureka proper already is the public dungeon, it's just mostly outdoors. If you want a public dungeon, ask for more Eureka. If you want a public raid, go to university, double major in Sociology and Game Development, minor in Psychology, finish a PhD or two, and make that game. We'll wait.

it works in guild wars 2. it works in japan. this isnt hardwired into humans to behave this way. whether you take in information through voice or text makes virtually no difference. Grouping in game is actually way easier, if people didnt believe discord is the right way to do it, and spend 1-2 hours preparing outside of the instance instead of inside. Those 50-100 people waiting for frag runs in discord would just have done it ingame, with pretty much the same results, but less hassle.

[AnnaMolly]

Understandable with the raises, they do sound like they are a resource that has to be used with great care. Quite a few people running pre-mades in these treads have been advocating a don't interact with anyone who goes in not in the pre-made but with no ill intent and that seemed unduly rude to me. Hopefully the guy doing the griefing get bored or just stops :/

As a DPS, even in a premade, I'm pretty shocked when someone casts Sacrifice on me. It happens more for tanks and healers because there are less of them. It's a resource you have to manage and choose very carefully when to use it and who on.

[AnnaMolly]

though you say this, there are many who actively promote that premades want you to die, i have seen it ingame in map chat and in many of the responses in here, so its not surprising they believed it was a trap, a bit paranoid, but its based on what they see in game when things go wrong.

Imo, when discord changes its stereotype from being hostile to "snipers" you will see the vast majority of beef and complaints dwindle.

I'd put money on these people promoting this idea are against discord premades for some reason. Otherwise what you're saying holds little to no logic.

[Physic]

I think the "no one owns the portals" defense has some holes in it. You're not considering that when a premade group isn't in the instance, no one wants to even touch the portals. The random players don't even think of trying to group up and attempt BA on their own. The only time anyone is suddenly interested in the portals is when a group is there and planning to go in.

These players that say they saw a portal and just wanted to go inside to help are telling a tale if you ask me. :v Wonder why they only ever get an itch to experiment with the portals when 56 other players happen to be trying to do the same content. Sounds like quite a coincidence.

no one touches the portals because discord has promoted and made it so that regardless of how people would like to do the content, there will not be enough people to go inside, because most of the interested people are waiting in disvord for an invite, and then in kugane for some one to tell them to go in.

discord has successfully won the NA culture war, to the detriment of making the content more accessible.

[Alucard135]

though you say this, there are many who actively promote that premades want you to die, i have seen it ingame in map chat and in many of the responses in here, so its not surprising they believed it was a trap, a bit paranoid, but its based on what they see in game when things go wrong.

Imo, when discord changes its stereotype from being hostile to "snipers" you will see the vast majority of beef and complaints dwindle.

MPK is against TOS, anyone stupid enough to do it will get banned. So that argument flies away, since no one wants to risk their account for a stupid reason.

Secondly, if the discord group refused to engage the sniper in chat and was courteous enough to offer the sniper a spot and the sniper openly refused that, how can you label them as hostile to snipers?

It's easy to see things from the anti-discord side but not from the discord side, since you need to join it. So you cannot say you know how the discord groups act if you haven't been in any of them. Random people in shout chat don't count as the whole population for both sides. But those that do act to enforce their agenda are what you should be looking at.

no one touches the portals because discord has promoted and made it so that regardless of how people would like to do the content, there will not be enough people to go inside, because most of the interested people are waiting in disvord for an invite, and then in kugane for some one to tell them to go in.

discord has successfully won the NA culture war, to the detriment of making the content more accessible.

Where are you getting these ideas from? I've been trying to get into BA when I started on release week long before people started talking about premades and discord multiple times just to end up being alone in an instance or with a few people. The moment I heard about the discord, I joined because I knew I can at least end up with the required number of people. And even after discord gained momentum. I've been in multiple instances that no one bothers touching BA in.

BA was never meant to be accessible to everyone. The warning message tells you that. It was meant for a determent group of players that are willing to risk it in order to achieve victory. Discord made it a lot easier for people to get in. Else it will be a zone for only big FCs and Link Shells.

[AnnaMolly]

no one touches the portals because discord has promoted and made it so that regardless of how people would like to do the content, there will not be enough people to go inside, because most of the interested people are waiting in disvord for an invite, and then in kugane for some one to tell them to go in.

discord has successfully won the NA culture war, to the detriment of making the content more accessible.

Making content more accessible is a detriment? Sounds elitist.

[SaitoHikari]

it works in guild wars 2. it works in japan. this isnt hardwired into humans to behave this way. whether you take in information through voice or text makes virtually no difference. Grouping in game is actually way easier, if people didnt believe discord is the right way to do it, and spend 1-2 hours preparing outside of the instance instead of inside. Those 50-100 people waiting for frag runs in discord would just have done it ingame, with pretty much the same results, but less hassle.

The difference being that 1) GW2 likely doesn't have any public dungeon with entry requirements as asinine as BA, and 2) it works in Japan because the competency of the average player in JP is far, FAR higher than in NA and EU combined. Roughly 20-30% of the JP community has cleared savage raids, and the developers have outright said that BA's difficulty is around that. That percentage dips below 5% in NA and EU, according to the census.

When we literally have a community that largely refuses to improve themselves, combined with a significant population of people within that group that are actively hostile to the people who do (the Duty Finder Tales thread has numerous examples of this happening, and coincidentally a thread like that doesn't even exist on JP side), you end up with a rather snarky community that doesn't place trust in others. It shouldn't be too much of a surprise that people have had to form a Discord group to get reliable runs going.

And then you have people actively trying to troll THAT just to prove some kind of screwed up point at the detriment of 40+ other people in the run AND any newbies they manage to use as blunt objects for their crusade - thereby proving the point that these groups are actually necessary for the NA and EU community. Congratulations, they spent a significant amount of time out of their day to attempt to sabotage a run to prove a point about game design at the detriment of dozens of players. Do they have anything better to do, freaking edgelords?

You and others with your kind of viewpoint act like these Discord groups is some sort of elitist gatekeeping. No, it exists because people don't want to waste 3-4 hours waiting for a run to happen, just to end up with a failed run resulting in a large group deleveling and subsequently having to fight over Sprite Island afterwards.

[Physic]

wrong, it would have been the same type of people who organizediscord doing it in actual instances, with text macros. I have played guild wars 2. group content happens, it only takes 1-3 people to make it happen