Can we report the Baldesion Arsenal discord group?

[AnnaRosa]

Since we're on the same data center.. I'm just gonna tell you that at least half of those of what you may call as "hate speech" in the shout channel is nothing more than players trolling and throwing banter.

The amount of "portal snipers" compared to the amount of Players participating in BA are not even significant to say the least.

As for my two cents on this thread, I'm sure there is a message telling players to exchange communications to clear BA, and I'm inclined to believe that communication means to be cooperative.. How can someone whine here on the forum after they are not being cooperative to the majority of the community thinking they are the victims here?

"players trolling and throwing blanter" it must be.

You are the one making victim or non victim, is not about victimization as you want to make it.

It's more about the attitude you have towards players who do not have access to discord for a variety of reasons and imply because they not have that access they aren't cooperative when in fact they can be.
Other thing no one is asking players to exchange communications to clear BA, simply stating that not all players have access to discord.

[lvlagmarink]

How can you not have discord? You can even use internet browser to use it. You can even install discord on your phone.
You are not even required to talk, you can even request to raid lead and have veteran helps you on the run.

The only instance i can think of for someone having a reason not to use discord is because they play in their consoles and they dont have a smart phones.. But i'd just like to believe everybody in this modern age who plays the game and having access to the forum has a smart phone.. oh well I'd like to believe.

Other thing no one is asking players to exchange communications to clear BA, simply stating that not all players have access to discord.

Well hello? Asking players for a raise in hoping to proceed through the rest of dungeon and clearing it is also a form of communication.. and they failed at that because of their behaviour ealier to "snipe a portal", thus they are uncooperative.

[HyoMinPark]

"players trolling and throwing blanter" it must be.

You are the one making victim or non victim, is not about victimization as you want to make it.

It's more about the attitude you have towards players who do not have access to discord for a variety of reasons and imply because they not have that access they aren't cooperative when in fact they can be.
Other thing no one is asking players to exchange communications to clear BA, simply stating that not all players have access to discord.

Asking you to join a Discord is asking you to exchange communications.

The BA description in the patch notes and in game explicitly says that you will be required to communicate with your fellow teammates in order to clear and earn the rewards for clearing—

Rewards

Those who defeat the bosses within and clear the entirety of the Baldesion Arsenal will be richly rewarded. To do so will be no mean feat, however─you must communicate well with your fellow adventurers if any of you are to reach the prize.

It just so happens that NA/EU’s preferred method of communication happens to be Discord, probably because if its ease of access, and the variety of methods they can use to schedule runs (e.g., scheduling and queue bots).

You don’t have to speak if you are not leading a run—in fact, the NA one prefers that comms remain clear for important callouts, and run leaders frequently ask for people to mute themselves during boss fights so that idle chatter does not drown out the callouts.

Discord is not difficult to use: you can install it on your computer, your phone, your tablet, etc.; whatever device you may have can use it, even if you are a Console player and not a PC player (I used to use it on my laptop back before I got a gaming desktop and played on the PS4).


A person not joining the Discord has shown that they are not cooperative. I find it highly unlikely that people in this day in age have zero ways to use Discord—rather, they choose not to. But that choice directly hinders the way NA/EU want to communicate in this content, thereby making it impossible for them to coordinate and cooperate. At the very least, it makes it unnecessarily cumbersome—on-the-fly callouts in chat are not an easy feat when you’re trying to do the mechanics yourself.

To answer your question no have not tried BA dungeon/raid only many times outside to help support group doing the fates needed for the group advance inside in Eureka instance, when am playing have the in game chat log box open with all channels included to know where to go for the next fate.

As wrote before my opinion comes from the whole threads in this forum not just this one and the behavior that unfortunately experienced during the time helping support group inside instance.

Okay, so then why say that you’ve tried it when you actually haven’t?

You’re basing your opinion off of a biased game forum that only reflects the opinions of a small amount of its playerbase—a substantial amount of players don’t even post here, yet you would base your opinion off of the minority?

You aren’t actually trying the content itself (doing the Support FATE does not count, as he’s basically just an NM), yet you insist on forming opinions about it and the people who frequently participate in it. Mind you, a lot of players on Aether do not talk in /shout; they use /yell while inside the dungeon so as to not clog up the outside chat for NM call outs. It may be similar on your DC as well, so you may not even be seeing what the majority of people in there think. Again, you’re basing it off of a few people.


Basing your opinion off of the opinions of others with zero effort to actually try the content and form your own independent opinion gives you little merit.

[AnnaRosa]

Okay, so then why say that you’ve tried it when you actually haven’t?

You’re basing your opinion off of a biased game forum that only reflects the opinions of a small amount of its playerbase—a substantial amount of players don’t even post here, yet you would base your opinion off of the minority?

You aren’t actually trying the content itself (doing the Support FATE does not count, as he’s basically just an NM), yet you insist on forming opinions about it and the people who frequently participate in it. Mind you, a lot of players on Aether do not talk in /shout; they use /yell while inside the dungeon so as to not clog up the outside chat for NM call outs. It may be similar on your DC as well, so you may not even be seeing what the majority of people in there think. Again, you’re basing it off of a few people.


Basing your opinion off of the opinions of others with zero effort to actually try the content and form your own independent opinion gives you little merit.

Meant that would like to try the new dungeon/raid if didn't want to try wouldn't even bother to help the support group get fates done like many others.

Again am basing my opinion on my experience inside Eureka instance since the content was released and the diverse topics from this forum with all different opinions.

[HyoMinPark]

Meant that would like to try the new dungeon/raid if didn't want to try wouldn't even bother to help the support group get fates done like many others.

Again am basing my opinion on my experience inside Eureka instance since the content was released and the diverse topics from this forum with all different opinions.

And I’m telling you that basing your opinion off of the opinions of others makes your opinion flimsy—you have no direct contact or experience to form an adequate one; instead you are just echoing things you’ve read or heard and say you share the same sentiments.

I think for you to form an adequate, independent opinion of the content, you need to actually participate in it rather than just rely on the opinions of others and biased reports and threads like this one. You aren’t getting the full picture. You aren’t well-rounding your opinion. Instead of seeing for yourself if BA and the Discords dedicated to organizing runs for it are actually good or bad places, you’re just agreeing with people who say “Yeah! They’re all toxic elitists in there!”

Why not see things for yourself and form your own opinion independent of the input of others?

[AnnaRosa]

And I’m telling you that basing your opinion off of the opinions of others makes your opinion flimsy—you have no direct contact or experience to form an adequate one; instead you are just echoing things you’ve read or heard and say you share the same sentiments.

I think for you to form an adequate, independent opinion of the content, you need to actually participate in it rather than just rely on the opinions of others and biased reports and threads like this one. You aren’t getting the full picture. You aren’t well-rounding your opinion. Instead of seeing for yourself if BA and the Discords dedicated to organizing runs for it are actually good or bad places, you’re just agreeing with people who say “Yeah! They’re all toxic elitists in there!”

Why not see things for yourself and form your own opinion independent of the input of others?

Appreciate your advise but no thank you what have seen here in this thread and other threads is enough.
It's not for the threads being biased is more about how people express their hate towards other players even if they are recently joined players who not know the mechanics or by mistake want to try new content.

I’m sorry to hear that you would rather echo the opinions of others than form your own through direct experience. I have to ask that you refrain from “warnings” like the one you posted a while back about BA and BA Discords. Clearly, you don’t know what kind of environments they actually are, so try to not tell others about things you do not know.

On the contrary surely will tell others about my experiences within Eureka instance shout channel and will indicate this thread and others threads related to the subject on the forum.

Lol that's a very quick way to discredit your entire opinion, good job.

Toxic people exist, that doesn't reflect the content nor the discord unless you have specifically experienced those things consistently with the content or the discord, which you clearly have not.

This forum thread among others related to the subject do portrait well whats the players attitude towards players that aren't aware of the full mechanics and do use the portals with no intention to steal them but to try the new content am so sorry my opinion offends you or your discord magical group, it doesn't change the fact how your attitude reflects here in the forum.
If you were so innocent players wouldn't even be here complaining about harassment on your part so yes this thread will be a good reference in the future.

[HyoMinPark]

Appreciate your advise but no thank you what have seen here in this thread is enough.

I’m sorry to hear that you would rather echo the opinions of others than form your own through direct experience. I have to ask that you refrain from “warnings” like the one you posted a while back about BA and BA Discords. Clearly, you don’t know what kind of environments they actually are, so try to not tell others about things you do not know.

[Lambdafish]

Appreciate your advise but no thank you what have seen here in this thread and other threads is enough.
It's not for the threads being biased is more about how people express their hate towards other players even if they are recently joined players who not know the mechanics or by mistake want to try new content.

Lol that's a very quick way to discredit your entire opinion, good job.

Toxic people exist, that doesn't reflect the content nor the discord unless you have specifically experienced those things consistently with the content or the discord, which you clearly have not.

[HyoMinPark]

Appreciate your advise but no thank you what have seen here in this thread and other threads is enough.
It's not for the threads being biased is more about how people express their hate towards other players even if they are recently joined players who not know the mechanics or by mistake want to try new content.

Except this thread has never hated on players that want to learn BA, nor do the Discords. The Aether one specifically gives out the link to its Discord in every instance where people ask about BA. The Discord wants to help players, but they are under no obligation to help those who refuse to join the Discord, nor cooperate with those who insist "these are my portals, you toxic elitists, and this is MY CONTENT". Even with the latter, the Discord admins strongly discourage and police harassment.

BA is a cooperative effort. The game tells us as much when you unlock it. Failure to cooperate means you will fail to clear.


Your failure to comprehend all of this is what makes you little more than an echo chamber for biased opinions that want to twist the truth to fuel their own hateful arguments. It also displays how willfully ignorant you are choosing to be.

On the contrary surely will tell others about my experiences within Eureka instance shout channel and will indicate this thread and others threads related to the subject on the forum.

Your experiences where you haven't actually done BA? "This is what the content is like, but I've never actually done it" doesn't hold much credibility, in my opinion.

It's sad that you will try to willfully misconstrue and misrepresent things you know nothing about. That is what true toxicity is. Not the BA groups or the Discords that you seem intent to hate for little reason other than "I read that they were bad people, and since it was on the internet, it must be true".

This forum thread among others related to the subject do portrait well whats the players attitude towards players that aren't aware of the full mechanics and do use the portals with no intention to steal them but to try the new content am so sorry my opinion offends you or your discord magical group, it doesn't change the fact how your attitude reflects here in the forum.
If you were so innocent players wouldn't even be here complaining about harassment on your part so yes this thread will be a good reference in the future.

Except the Discords (as a majority) do not harass those that want to learn unless they refuse to cooperate. There are bad apples, but they are not as wide-spread as you want people to believe they are. The fact that you continue to deny how they try to help new players to BA shows again that you would rather be a sheep to this hateful "anti-Discord" crusade without actually seeing if they're as evil as people claim. Which is honestly quite sad.

People that try to join in on AV or Ozma clears when they have never been into the dungeon are the same as players who attempt to join clear of farm parties for Ex or Savage. They have no idea about the mechanics and they do not belong there. They belong in the learning groups (which tend to be fragment runs for BA, and there are AV prog and Ozma prog groups as well) so that they can learn. Attempting to earn their BA clear through being carried by the rest of the group inside is disrespectful.

If these players have so little respect for the groups that are just trying to organize runs for easy clears and farming, pray tell why they should earn any respect themselves. For all the threads you've read, you've clearly failed to ask WHY players that support the Discords tend to have such negative opinions if those who are anti-Discord. I can say that a lot of the anti-Discord players I have met are some of the worst in terms of attitude because they refuse to cooperate and respect other players. All because "this is MY PORTAL and MY CONTENT". Again, I ask you, why are players like that deserving of respect?

I do not condone harassing them. I condone ignoring them. And I certainly will not respect someone who shows so little regard for others.

[SaitoHikari]

"players trolling and throwing blanter" it must be.

You are the one making victim or non victim, is not about victimization as you want to make it.

It's more about the attitude you have towards players who do not have access to discord for a variety of reasons and imply because they not have that access they aren't cooperative when in fact they can be.
Other thing no one is asking players to exchange communications to clear BA, simply stating that not all players have access to discord.

I can understand if you don't have discord because your computer simply cannot run it.

What I cannot understand is people being unwilling to download a chat app because of misconceptions about how it's too 'hardcore' or 'unregulated' or something else from the list of boogeymans. It's not even a matter of principle at that point, it's just being an edgy uncooperative fool in content where the devs have stated in-game in no uncertain terms that it requires large scale communication to succeed. And this kind of mentality is another reason why the devs are wise to ignore our side of the community when designing content. No amount of design is going to help people who are unwilling to help themselves - and strangely, on our side of the community, we have a significant population of people who are apparently proud of that.

Recall that even if we take this topic starter's word at face value, it's their word - supposedly acting as a third party posting on the forums on behalf of a friend who actually did participate in the run, so they by default don't even know the full picture themselves - against 40+ other people who WERE personally there and know what happened. Their friend took a portal from an organized group. Okay, that's fine and fair and within the game's rules. But then they're posting on the forums, trying to rally the masses against this group for what happened afterwards, when in reality they're just showcasing their complete failure to take personal responsibility by trying to shift blame to the other participants, while simultaneously displaying ignorance about the cost of deaths and raising in the instance.

Analyzing everything from a logical standpoint makes it hard for me to side with the people that are against this discord group existing. And quite frankly, the amount of energy some people here expend in this weird crusade against this group feels like it could be better spent trying to improve yourself as a player. So that if you wanted to do something like this again, at least the discord group wouldn't be able to talk crap to you because you wouldn't be dying in the first place and risking their entire run.

Still, I have to wonder what your personal stake in this argument is, if you don't have plans to seriously participate in the content despite posting so much about it. I was content to stay out of this thread until I noticed what was happening here, and I am legit curious: Are your grievances focused on the content design, or are your grievances focused on the people running the content?

There's a big difference, and the answer will tell you quite a lot about why the others in this thread are arguing against you (and others with a similar stance) as they have.