Can we report the Baldesion Arsenal discord group?

[AxlStream]

Says no one can learn Savage without voice chat.

-Has done exactly that.

Umm...sorry to tell you this, but you are totally wrong on that count.

Maybe if we were talking about Ultimate you would have a point.

So why don't you have a Final Omega kill? :thinking:

[AnnaRosa]

What? No. What rose colored glasses are you wearing? Whether it was EQ or DAoC of FFXI or anything else, in the other games you were at best being excluded from even trying a fight because the uberguilds would get first claim and the rules said you couldn’t engage. At worst they were MPKing you. And if it was a valuable spawn in UO or EVE or something, they were just flat out killing you and fighting the boss over your corpse.

Never had that experience in this game or in any other game if those are the experiences you have feel sorry for you, in the experiences had so far have been always included even in different games with different designs for different goals.

The point you missing is that attitude that you bring with you into new dungeons and raid makes all the difference to appeal or repel recent players and the arrogance and the elitism forced upon any other recently joined player that wants to experience the game for the 1st time won't leave much choice if not give up, which is sad because at some point it will leave the game with elitists only and is going to be a poop show.

No MMO will survive with elitists only.

The content wasn't designed to use Discord so players aren't forced to use Discord you have other forms of communication inside game, but if a player apart of being forced to use Discord is also harassed by a bunch of nasty arrogant players, like the situation described on the original post, that is the secret recipe to end one MMO because you won't have recently joined players wanting to play it.

Personally won't recommend anyone who wants to enjoy the game and have fun to engage in any BA runs because the game content wasn't created for any player adopt any masochist attitude and be harassed by some self made elite wannabes.

[HyoMinPark]

Never had that experience in this game or in any other game if those are the experiences you have feel sorry for you.

The point you missing is that attitude that you bring with you into new dungeons and raid makes all the difference to appeal or repel recent players and the arrogance and the elitism forced upon any other recently joined player that wants to experience the game for the 1st time won't leave much choice if not give up, which is sad because at some point it will leave the game with elitists only and is going to be a poop show.

No MMO will survive with elitists only.

The content wasn't designed to use Discord so players aren't forced to use Discord you have other forms of communication inside game, but if a player apart of being forced to use Discord is also harassed by a bunch of nasty arrogant players, like the situation described on the original post, that is the secret recipe to end one MMO because you won't have recently joined players wanting to play it.

On my part won't recommend anyone such experience the game is to be enjoyed so players have fun not be harassed by some self made elite wannabes.

This is assuming the situation even occurred as it was so told in this thread. It’s already been pointed out how there are holes and inconsistencies with the story.

Even with the clarification provided by the OP’s friend, I still question if things happened exactly as they were told here. Mostly because of the person’s claims that the entire instance was harassed into not raising them when they supposedly returned to the camp—but to return to the camp, one would have already been raised by simply releasing from the dungeon after dying. So either the OP’s friend is confused about remembering specific details, they’re embellishing to make things sound worse than they actually were, the OP themselves are confused and/or embellishing, or this is just another story following the trend of “Hate on the Discord peoples”. Unfortunately, there is no way for us to possibly know, but I’ve seen stories pop up like this frequently and very few of them tend to turn out true. So I apologize for my skepticism.


Do mean-spirited players exist? Certainly. But they are not nearly as rampant as you are trying to make them sound. And let us not forget that the “other side” of this BA argument (the side against Discords that want to preach that the “portals belong to everyone”) are not exactly innocent—this “elitism” exists on both sides. I’ve seen many attempts by anti-Discord players to sabotage clear runs since I started doing BA. I’ve met more nice players within the Discord than I have these “elitists” people like to rant and rave about.

Honestly, the worst type of players I’ve met (in terms of attitude) are not the ones typically painted as “elitist” on these forums.

Personally won't recommend anyone who wants to enjoy the game and have fun to engage in any BA runs because the game content wasn't created for any player adopt any masochist attitude and be harassed by some self made elite wannabes.

Personally, I would recommend that people join the Discord and attempt the organized BA runs. They may find themselves actually having fun, and they may meet some pretty cool people. Much like I was able to.

[Tsumdere]

Personally won't recommend anyone who wants to enjoy the game and have fun to engage in any BA runs because the game content wasn't created for any player adopt any masochist attitude and be harassed by some self made elite wannabes.

As someone who has actually participated in BA and the Discord, I do recommend to give it a shot! Our first timer learning group made it all the way to Ozma today! If you don't like it, you don't like it and you don't have to come back. To spout this kind of nonsense when you haven't even tried is very small-minded.

[SaitoHikari]

Never had that experience in this game or in any other game if those are the experiences you have feel sorry for you, in the experiences had so far have been always included even in different games with different designs for different goals.

The point you missing is that attitude that you bring with you into new dungeons and raid makes all the difference to appeal or repel recent players and the arrogance and the elitism forced upon any other recently joined player that wants to experience the game for the 1st time won't leave much choice if not give up, which is sad because at some point it will leave the game with elitists only and is going to be a poop show.

No MMO will survive with elitists only.

The content wasn't designed to use Discord so players aren't forced to use Discord you have other forms of communication inside game, but if a player apart of being forced to use Discord is also harassed by a bunch of nasty arrogant players, like the situation described on the original post, that is the secret recipe to end one MMO because you won't have recently joined players wanting to play it.

Personally won't recommend anyone who wants to enjoy the game and have fun to engage in any BA runs because the game content wasn't created for any player adopt any masochist attitude and be harassed by some self made elite wannabes.

People like you are why the developers will never take the NA community seriously when it comes to content design input.

You've literally invested enough time to make 12 posts in this thread calling people out for being elitists, when you've outright admitted that you have no intention of stepping into BA despite your attempts to shame a portion of the community who have. And because you've never run BA, you've never even MET the people you're arguing with that are actually participating in the subject matter of this thread, much less have any actual experience in it yourself.

There's a serious lack of logic here, and I'm not entirely sure you understand what toxicity actually is. And this is coming from someone that has yet to step into BA either because of the awful entry design. Am I going around arguing with people who have found a system for organizing runs? No. The system they made exists for a reason. Maybe if you tried, you'd understand why, instead of going out of your way to attack this group over multiple posts in this thread where it's obvious no real civil consensus can be reached.

I'm sorry if this sounds really mean-spirited, but I am tired of watching this forum devolve into a cesspool of people talking about content in such a definitive way and then immediately admit afterwards that they haven't attempted it at all/are proud of not even trying because 'elitists'. What meaning does this whole exercise even have anymore? It's not even a debate in good faith at that point. What's the point then? What is the end goal?

[AnnaRosa]

People like you are why the developers will never take the NA community seriously when it comes to content design input.

You've literally invested enough time to make 12 posts in this thread calling people out for being elitists, when you've outright admitted that you have no intention of stepping into BA despite your attempts to shame a portion of the community who have. And because you've never run BA, you've never even MET the people you're arguing with that are actually participating in the subject matter of this thread, much less have any actual experience in it yourself.

There's a serious lack of logic here, and I'm not entirely sure you understand what toxicity actually is. And this is coming from someone that has yet to step into BA either because of the awful entry design. Am I going around arguing with people who have found a system for organizing runs? No. The system they made exists for a reason. Maybe if you tried, you'd understand why, instead of going out of your way to attack this group over multiple posts in this thread where it's obvious no real civil consensus can be reached.

I'm sorry if this sounds really mean-spirited, but I am tired of watching this forum devolve into a cesspool of people talking about content in such a definitive way and then immediately admit afterwards that they haven't attempted it at all/are proud of not even trying because 'elitists'. What meaning does this whole exercise even have anymore? It's not even a debate in good faith at that point. What's the point then? What is the end goal?

Wrote my posts based on the attitude players had towards the original post and did BA once at least and how expressed my opinion and the feedback from my opinion and other players opinion and yes it was elitist, formed my opinion from all comments from this thread, other threads and Eureka shout channel from inside game as from the original post can't believe a player would join a portal to ruin the others game as it was referred here before and that were it got strange on the way some expressed their hate.

For try the new content would like to be a good experience and unfortunately do not have access to discord prefer in game communication channels, because in game communication channels are under SE regulation.

Mean spirited is to put up with elitism and arrogance for a simple content created with other objective and is even worse for recently joined players.

Sorry to inform you but you not the only in the world who knows what toxicity is.

[HyoMinPark]

Never tried BA dungeon/raid/whatever if would like YES would like but after reading this thread one thing am sure will never try.

Wrote my posts based on the attitude players had towards the original post and did BA once at least and how expressed my opinion and the feedback from my opinion and other players opinion and yes it was elitist, formed my opinion from all comments from this thread, other threads and Eureka shout channel from inside game as from the original post can't believe a player would join a portal to ruin the others game as it was referred here before and that were it got strange on the way some expressed their hate.

For try the new content would like to be a good experience and unfortunately do not have access to discord because prefer in game communication channels.

So, did you actually try BA between the first quoted post and this one?

If so, are you sure that your negative impression was not already formed well before you stepped foot into the content, thereby going in with a negative bias? Negative biases are far harder to change than positive ones.

People are allowed to question the opening post. Especially since it has inconsistencies. I personally question it because, as I said previously, I’ve seen a lot of these “Woe is me” posts that turn out to be exaggerated or downright false on this very forum. Pardon if I don’t immediately take everything at face-value.

can't believe a player would join a portal to ruin the others game as it was referred here before

If you think there aren’t people out there that snipe portals purely out of spite, you are sorely mistaken. I have seen them. I’ve been in instances where players try to shout “West side at boss, pulling at XX:XX ET” just to mess with the players already in the dungeon. I’ve seen players sit outside the Support FATE and refuse to help kill it because they’re mad a premade group is in BA.

There is toxicity on both sides. The “anti-Discord” people are certainly not these innocent victims.

Mean spirited is to put up with elitism and arrogance for a simple content created with other objective.

Personally, I would define mean-spirited as something far different than what you’ve listed here.

[AnnaRosa]

As someone who has actually participated in BA and the Discord, I do recommend to give it a shot! Our first timer learning group made it all the way to Ozma today! If you don't like it, you don't like it and you don't have to come back. To spout this kind of nonsense when you haven't even tried is very small-minded.

Its not about tried or not tried is about what have been observing since the content was released as wrote before from my personal observation on the other player behavior here in forums, Eureka instance shout channel and in the support group.

[AnnaRosa]

So, did you actually try BA between the first quoted post and this one?

If so, are you sure that your negative impression was not already formed well before you stepped foot into the content, thereby going in with a negative bias? Negative biases are far harder to change than positive ones.

People are allowed to question the opening post. Especially since it has inconsistencies. I personally question it because, as I said previously, I’ve seen a lot of these “Woe is me” posts that turn out to be exaggerated or downright false on this very forum. Pardon if I don’t immediately take everything at face-value.



If you think there aren’t people out there that snipe portals purely out of spite, you are sorely mistaken. I have seen them. I’ve been in instances where players try to shout “West side at boss, pulling at XX:XX ET” just to mess with the players already in the dungeon. I’ve seen players sit outside the Support FATE and refuse to help kill it because they’re mad a premade group is in BA.

There is toxicity on both sides. The “anti-Discord” people are certainly not these innocent victims.



Personally, I would define mean-spirited as something far different than what you’ve listed here.

So sorry as explained before can only join communication channels under SE regulation and no it's difficult to believe players would just go inside the portal to ruin someone else game think there are players who experience the game for the 1st time and can make mistakes.

Not saying you don't have grief players but those usually are known among the community and no those grief players you mean they do not just quit the game, unfortunately they adopt a repetitive/cyclic behavior on ruin random players game or one focused target.

[HyoMinPark]

So sorry as explained before can only join communication channels under SE regulation and no it's difficult to believe players would just go inside the portal to ruin someone else game, think persons experience the game for the 1st time can make mistakes.

You didn’t answer my question: did you actually try BA, or have you still not set foot in there as you previously claimed?

think there are players who experience the game for the 1st time and can make mistakes.

Sorry, but when you see someone deliberately take a Support portal and then immediately leave the dungeon without so much as leaving the entry area, it’s hard to believe that they didn’t know what they were doing when they took it or that their intentions were innocent. Especially because support parties generally announce their presence and ask players (key word here is ASK—they do not typically DEMAND or THREATEN, like you have probably read on these forums) to please not take the portals.

Its not about tried or not tried is about what have been observing since the content was released as wrote before from my personal observation on the other player behavior here in forums, Eureka instance shout channel and in the support group.

You’re forming an opinion based on a highly biased game forum that only reflects the opinions of a very small number of its game’s population. You’re far better off forming your own opinion by actively participating in the content, not just relying on the opinions of others to give your own weight. Your opinion doesn’t have any substance when you go about forming them in the way you’ve done.