Can we report the Baldesion Arsenal discord group?

[AnnaMolly]

Attempting to go against the system just out of a principle of stubbornness never seems to work well for anyone. If people want a clear, all I can do is recommend that they attempt to get one in the way their region typically does things—it’s much easier to go with the flow than against it. And, if you delevel through trying, you just go to Sprite Island with some Reflect L and level up again. It takes 20~30 minutes there at the most, and really isn’t that bad. A lot of players that have progged BA have also deleveled. Just comes with the territory.

I've often taken reflect and not needed it because the party there will allow me to pop in for 3-4 pulls. If possible, I like to spend my reflect I brought on those pulls as a bit of payback though.

[HyoMinPark]

I've often taken reflect and not needed it because the party there will allow me to pop in for 3-4 pulls. If possible, I like to spend my reflect I brought on those pulls as a bit of payback though.

From what I’ve seen, in a lot of the prog groups there have been players that with take those who ended up deleveling during BA to Sprite Island just to get them back to 60 again. During one of my many Ozma clear runs, we had a near alliance wipe at 5%, and afterwards, those that weren’t Raised with Sacrifice all formed groups and went to Sprite Island and took turns leveling back up again.

Deleveling honestly isn’t as bad as some people think.

[AnnaMolly]

From what I’ve seen, in a lot of the prog groups there have been players that with take those who ended up deleveling during BA to Sprite Island just to get them back to 60 again. During one of my many Ozma clear runs, we had a near alliance wipe at 5%, and afterwards, those that weren’t Raised with Sacrifice all formed groups and went to Sprite Island and took turns leveling back up again.

Deleveling honestly isn’t as bad as some people think.

I was surprised how fast it goes, weather permitting. I was also pleasantly surprised being invited despite being part of "that mean-ol nasty discord" lol I honestly assumed a lot of people wouldn't want me knowing I'd just came out of BA.

[Xellos2099]

Some ppl just dont wanna do the discord route, no matter anything. And we just cant do a learning as no one will ever try... like the delevel is soooo bad.... but i just gave up on it. Just another mistake SE made.

I mean if they can get a group of 16-32 in the stance they can go in themselve without discord. No one is stopping them from going in. Half of the instance doesn't have a group. And tbh, I don't think i see anyone learn savage without voice.

[Mixt]

Says no one can learn Savage without voice chat.

-Has done exactly that.

Umm...sorry to tell you this, but you are totally wrong on that count.

Maybe if we were talking about Ultimate you would have a point.

[HyoMinPark]

I mean if they can get a group of 16-32 in the stance they can go in themselve without discord. No one is stopping them from going in. Half of the instance doesn't have a group. And tbh, I don't think i see anyone learn savage without voice.

You can easily learn and clear Savage without VC (though I do know learning groups have Discords out there for the ease of voice callouts), but the differences between Savage and BA are:

—You can be raised as many times as healer MP allows in Savage. In BA, your only method of Raise is Sacrifice L or a healer LB3 for the boss fights (though, you shouldn’t have to even need it). It’s certainly not a war of attrition, as death is actually punishing in there. Yes, death punishes you in Savage in that you may not meet the enrage, but you aren’t completely out of commission the entire fight if you get killed by something (unless the healer simply cannot raise you due to MP).

—When you wipe in Savage, you don’t have to reprog sometimes hours worth of content—you just go back to the beginning of a 8~10-minute fight (or the checkpoint, if it’s the final floor of a tier and you made it to the second half). It’s not quick to get to AV or Ozma, and this is exacerbated by the amount of time you’ve already spent trying to get all 7 parties into the same instance.

—Savage doesn’t have anything like the coordination I’ve observed between parties when it comes to things like the trash. Groups typically have tanks in each element, and call out what they are pulling. Though I’ve seen some frag runs where tanks just run in (that can go badly), I like the organized “Water tank, pull that frog”. Yeah, you can type these things in chat, but I’ve learned that people don’t always read the chat (like when I say in /yell I’m Sac-ing for X but another person Sacs instead so I’m just standing there like “okay”—I’ve started unmuting myself to call out Sacs now lol).


When I’ve invested ~3 hours already trying to get into BA and get to AV/Ozma, I’d rather have an organized group of players who know what they are doing, know the mechanics, and that are in a VC for important call outs instead of something blind where maybe people will post macros for mechanical explanations (which may or may not get completely processed before the pull). While I can focus on multiple things at once, I know that there are plenty others that cannot, and even more that just tunnel (and even I’ve done this sometimes). It’s easy to forget about the Ozmashades, for example, and then get hit by their mechanics—and I’ve seen this even with someone calling out the shade’s mechancis in VC.

I’ll do Savage with no VCs, but I’d rather have them for something like BA even if I don’t personally need callouts. It’s more so for the sake of the other 55 people in there lol.

[Adrestia]

That is exactly what makes this game different from the others the community used to be more friendly, more patient specially towards other players learning the mechanics if the community is changing to something really worse is up to you to deal with that same attitude towards you as player when you find yourself in a similar in game situation.

Elitism and what not.

What? No. What rose colored glasses are you wearing? Whether it was EQ or DAoC of FFXI or anything else, in the other games you were at best being excluded from even trying a fight because the uberguilds would get first claim and the rules said you couldn’t engage. At worst they were MPKing you. And if it was a valuable spawn in UO or EVE or something, they were just flat out killing you and fighting the boss over your corpse.

[Zukissa]

I don't associate with BA and in return they don't associate with me. Works out well for everyone.

[Stanelis]

Trying to say that just like any other player the person who joined could do it with no intention of wipe their BA team but with the intention to learn and try new content.

Ok understand that some players have different opportunities in game and for that they turn out to be "casuals" or the other you mentioned, but that doesn't change the fact that the "casuals" sometimes would like to try the content apparently JUST directed to the others.

Never tried BA dungeon/raid/whatever if would like YES would like but after reading this thread one thing am sure will never try.

Wait, you know you can join a premade even as a casual, right ? Unless you find it hardcore to pop on a discord, look at the planning of the scheduled runs, and turn in when the run is sheduled to happen.

There aren't any prerequisites on the number of runs you have to attend.

Furthermore, BA isn't marketed as casual content (see the disclaimer you accepted when unlocking it, even though it is BS because it isn't hard with a bit or organization).

comment like this what giving BA pre-made such a bad propaganda... we both own the portal. me and you. if i get in before you well sucks to be you, same go around.
yes i did BA, yes i clear check my lodestone if you want. just because me and you did a schedule run don't mean we own the portal, just mean we have higher chance at a good team.
Sniping don't exist when we don't own anything . even we kindly ask don't mean they have to give it.

yes Logo expensive, yes we no obligation to raise but better to just shut up and be like "we lost person who could't get in to they portal in time" then harassed them, and inv them to the party/teach them, give them link and tray to educated them. they don't need to be professional player to go in.

treating them like shit, calling them snipers what ended in japan people n doing support fate because how bad BA can behave.

Nowhere in my post did I say you should harass the snipers or anything : on our discord we aren't interecting with them in any way (and that also include not raising them).

[AnnaMolly]

Says no one can learn Savage without voice chat.

-Has done exactly that.

Umm...sorry to tell you this, but you are totally wrong on that count.

Maybe if we were talking about Ultimate you would have a point.

No one learns Ultimate without voice chat.

-Except that guy who will say he did to prove me wrong

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