Can we report the Baldesion Arsenal discord group?

[YutiKyis]

what the dude is claiming is they harassed her on entry, gloried in her death, and lobbied to get no one to raise her after getting kicked from instance. If this is true, thats the big offense.

However, though its fair to say no one should expect anything from people you dont know, overall the philosophy is bad, and not condusive to a successful open world culture. In eureka, even when some one is messing up, i usually tell people to raise them. Because hey man, its 1/4th your exp bar. Because even if some dude is being improper, or stupid, at the end of the day, they are just trying to participate in the content. This of course is a personal choice, but you wont have a succesful open world if the community is going to act this way.

people are afraid to even attempt to get in BA without a discord premade, this content that is the center of hydatos, and supposed to be firing off every hour or so, is rare. players a scared of being snipers, of being prosecuted, of even attempting to play. The ones who do attempt it, feel they are owed something because they had to suffer. because they followed some made up hierarchy where newbs should only attempt ozma after putting in X amount of frag runs.

its all made up nonsense that makes the content less acceisble, more stressfull, and more contentious with lower participation. Basically we NA/EU came up with a bad, non sustainable way to handle BA. It is what it is, and i cant really say people should be required to do anything, but its easy to see that this road will not go well, as evidenced by all the drama.

A major issue here is that people aren't afraid of BA because of the Discord. Even before the Discord was a thing people were frightened of BA and didn't want to do it because everything about it was designed to frighten people. You have to click multiple warnings and the early word coming out about it was that it was punishingly hard/unfair. (You can go and look at old posts and such if you need proof of this.)

Like you literally have to click a "this is a very scary dungeon which takes a long time and requires coordination" acceptance thing before you can even do the dungeon. That is the thing that scares people. Most of what I see from BA discord groups is trying to convince people that the dungeon is not as scary as SE made out.

The game, itself, tells you that you need time, coordination and the punishment for failing is harsh. That isn't something the BA Discords made up.

If the discords all vanished tomorrow you still wouldn't get regular BA groups because people are scared of it. Even in instances without discord groups people *never* go into BA because getting 56 people together and willing to try is a huge challenge on its own. The only way to fix this is to change how BA is entered which in turn would lessen or devalue the discord groups.

[Stanelis]

a) scheduled runs are built to require you to farm an item to reserve entry, over all scheduled runs are specifically not meant to be a thing in eureka and BA

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We never use the stabilizers.

Also, we know the system is retarded, but we re actually trying to do something about it so most people who are willing to take on the content can get their mount, and for free. What are you doing on your side about it aside from whining on the forums about premade groups?

[Alucard135]

Oh, absolutely. I've never argued with this. But the attitude of "anyone I don't approve of taking a portal is a sniper" and "they all deserve to die because they're a penalty to us, the Good And True Organized Groups" is an attitude that needs to go away.

The thing is, even if they said that, which they are in the wrong for saying so and should be reported, they can't do anything to the sniper. The only one who can get him killed is himself for not knowing the mechanics. I've had snipers in 80% of the runs I did. Some of them cleared cuz they knew the mechanics, and one tank even took the place of a tank that died and helped the party clear (we thanked him after lol). Some of the snipers died to simple AV mecahnics. That's a big risk to take if you wanna sacrifice a healer for someone who can easily wipe the party.

Are there toxic people in premades? yes. Are there also toxic people against the premades? yes (some explicitly stated that they only grab a portal from premades cuz they hate them). Both sides have their bad apples. But at the end of the day, no one can force people not to take a portal nor can force a premade group to accept randoms.

What I'm strongly against in OP's post, is that he's OK with the harassment (cuz toxic community will be toxic) but is not OK with a group practicing their right for not accepting his friend or raising her when she died. His main concern wasn't even what was said in shout chat in his second post according to his first post. This is another example of the bad apples on the other side. Expecting to be carried.

[AnnaRosa]

The thing is, even if they said that, which they are in the wrong for saying so and should be reported, they can't do anything to the sniper. The only one who can get him killed is himself for not knowing the mechanics. I've had snipers in 80% of the runs I did. Some of them cleared cuz they knew the mechanics, and one tank even took the place of a tank that died and helped the party clear (we thanked him after lol). Some of the snipers died to simple AV mecahnics. That's a big risk to take if you wanna sacrifice a healer for someone who can easily wipe the party.

Are there toxic people in premades? yes. Are there also toxic people against the premades? yes (some explicitly stated that they only grab a portal from premades cuz they hate them). Both sides have their bad apples. But at the end of the day, no one can force people not to take a portal nor can force a premade group to accept randoms.

What I'm strongly against in OP's post, is that he's OK with the harassment (cuz toxic community will be toxic) but is not OK with a group practicing their right for not accepting his friend or raising her when she died. His main concern wasn't even what was said in shout chat in his second post according to his first post. This is another example of the bad apples on the other side. Expecting to be carried.

No one wrote here that players expect to be carried that's not even the point of the original post that is you presuming that everyone that wants to try new content without forcefully join discord expects to be carried, which is wrong.
The developers didn't drop the dungeon/raid design and said: "here is a new dungeon/raid now go on discord!" No! They simply design the content to make it accessible to every player not just the ones that use discord.

Elitism and what not.

[Xellos2099]

No one wrote here that players expect to be carried that's not even the point of the original post that is you presuming that everyone that wants to try new content without forcefully join discord expects to be carried, which is wrong.
The developers didn't drop the dungeon/raid design and said: "here is a new dungeon/raid now go on discord!" No! They simply design the content to make it accessible to every player not just the ones that use discord.

Elitism and what not.

Maybe but quite of bit of people who snipe av portal expect to be carried. They pack plate bearer and self heal and do no damage. Even if it is not intentional, they do themselves no favor going in av with no knowledge/gear/logogram. A double meteor can easily kill someone without gear.

[Alucard135]

No one wrote here that players expect to be carried that's not even the point of the original post that is you presuming that everyone that wants to try new content without forcefully join discord expects to be carried, which is wrong.
The developers didn't drop the dungeon/raid design and said: "here is a new dungeon/raid now go on discord!" No! They simply design the content to make it accessible to every player not just the ones that use discord.

Elitism and what not.

So joining a clear group for a content that you have no experience with, which is designed to be a challenge like savage content is not asking to be carried? You don't have to say "I want to be carried" but if you're doing something that expects a certain requirement and skill from you and you're not doing it and leaving that on the other players, then you are being carried. No one forced you to use discord, you wanna go solo and do your part it's up to you. But if you mess up due to your lack of knowledge about fight mechanics and expect people to cover for your mistakes and get salty about it if they didn't, then that is entitlement. The game didn't say "go inside BA alone and force yourself on others".

[AnnaRosa]

So joining a clear group for a content that you have no experience with, which is designed to be a challenge like savage content is not asking to be carried? You don't have to say "I want to be carried" but if you're doing something that expects a certain requirement and skill from you and you're not doing it and leaving that on the other players, then you are being carried. No one forced you to use discord, you wanna go solo and do your part it's up to you. But if you mess up due to your lack of knowledge about fight mechanics and expect people to cover for your mistakes and get salty about it if they didn't, then that is entitlement. The game didn't say "go inside BA alone and force yourself on others".

But one player to acquire that amount of skill and knowledge need to practice correct? Apart of doing the homework watch guide, gear, holograms.

No dear what you speak the way you speak is Elitism in it's pure form, the game is designed for every player not just the best players that already trained and know all is a give a change for those that want to join and learn. or you were born knowing everything?

In the process of learning the mechanics either dungeon or raid people gets carried and when they learn they get to carry others too, or that never happened to you?

Do not use discord for my own option no one is forcing me to anything you presuming that player from the original post is me, you mistaken.

Really sorry to inform you but the game is not restricted to misters perfect know all with a superiority complex in development.

[Xellos2099]

But one player to acquire that amount of skill and knowledge need to practice correct? Apart of doing the homework watch guide, gear, holograms.
No dear what you speak the way you speak is Elitism in it's pure form, the game is designed for every player not just the best players that already trained and know all is a give a change for those that want to join and learn. or you were born knowing everything?
In the process of learning the mechanics either dungeon or raid people gets carried and when they learn they get to carry others too, or that never happened to you?

We started all the way from the beginning, we grind Art/Owain and Raiden for our gears for days before we start to do AV/Ozma. Every run pass raiden will get you 12 seals. Do a few runs for gears then start av/ozma. One does not run before they learn to walk. You know this is extremely similar to what is happen to south border which i will not be specific but the ideology is similiar

[Alucard135]

But one player to acquire that amount of skill and knowledge need to practice correct? Apart of doing the homework watch guide, gear, holograms.
No dear what you speak the way you speak is Elitism in it's pure form, the game is designed for every player not just the best players that already trained and know all is a give a change for those that want to join and learn. or you were born knowing everything?
In the process of learning the mechanics either dungeon or raid people gets carried and when they learn they get to carry others too, or that never happened to you?

You do need to practice. And what do you do in that case? join a practice group, not a clear group. Simple as that. Would you join a savage clear party if you barely touched the content? No, and if you did, be prepared to be kicked out and black listed. If you wanna learn how BA works, join fragment runs or prog runs that are at your current knowledge of the content.

And BA was designed to be a challenge so it's not for every player. This is what you agree on before entering BA.

The entry requirements for this duty are extremely strict, as savage bosses, devious traps, and an effect that prevents resurrection by certain means all await you within.

The Baldesion Arsenal will present a unique challenge to even the most storied of adventurers, no matter how easily they have forged a path through Eureka thus far. Entry in itself will be difficult, and once inside, you must expect to face many a bitter defeat before ever tasting victory.

To clear the dungeon, adventurers will need wisdom, bravery, strength, perseverance, trust in their companions...and a whole lot of time.

Do not use discord for my own option no one is forcing me to anything you presuming that player from the original post is me, you mistaken.

No one is forcing you to use discord. And...no one assumed you're the player from the original post though.... Why are you saying that lol?

In the process of learning the mechanics either dungeon or raid people gets carried and when they learn they get to carry others too, or that never happened to you?

You do that in dungeons and normal raids. But in savage raids, you join a practice group. Fresh groups if you're new, prog groups up to your current level.

[AnnaRosa]

You do need to practice. And what do you do in that case? join a practice group, not a clear group. Simple as that. Would you join a savage clear party if you barely touched the content? No, and if you did, be prepared to be kicked out and black listed. If you wanna learn how BA works, join fragment runs or prog runs that are at your current knowledge of the content.

And BA was designed to be a challenge so it's not for every player. This is what you agree on before entering BA.

What if the person didn't know it was a "clear" group? Probably dunno never tried but for those that join portals doesn't come to say "Attention you joining a Clear group full of themselves" or "Attention join along we are going to practice together".

Maybe just maybe the message that pops when you join portals (dunno never tried) is something like "You are going to enter in A/B dungeon".