Can we report the Baldesion Arsenal discord group?

[Gwenorai]

Snip.

Oh of course, the point I was more getting to is that it's honestly not worth the time to go beyond the whole 'Report it' - this sort of scenario was bound to happen, while you can dismantle their story and bring up the fabrications - the chance they're telling the truth and just not giving a full insightful relay due to language barriers or something is still there; however small as we're more likely to expect the worse, but that goes both ways. Best to just shrug it off and just go 'meh report the person; can't report the group' and be done with it. Anyone who is lying about this kind of stuff isn't doing it to have their opinion turned around; they're set to just hate on the discord groups and to attract an echo chamber. If they are 'lying' they've done just that in regards to the echo-chamber, look at the likes on their comment. While likes may not mean much; it does show that some are in agreement, or just find the post funny? Shrug.

My tldr just summed it up pretty nicely.


In the end the only plus I see from just dismantling is that it may convince a small number of folks to join the discords - the worst they're going to think it's an echo chamber/circle j*rk hopefully it's the former rather than the latter.

As for the outsider view, I don't have to go into Eureka or BA to know how it works. People explain it nicely in threads/Discord Groups/Twitch Streams etc; I like to educate myself on this stuff on the off chance that I'll eventually go into the content. My lack of interest of going into Eureka is due to paying attention to how Eureka unfolded - and my huge dislike of Pagos. While the first-hand experience always adds to that knowledge, it's not wise to just push away an opinion because someone hasn't gone through the experience and is going off a more second hand one with the information available by the forums/discord/media outlets - not that you were doing this, or so I hope.

I will agree with you though, something seems off, which adds to the whole 'well this isn't going to go anywhere with the information we have now.'

[Physic]

The problem with looking from an outside view here, is that you don't know exactly how things go on inside of what you're looking at. If OP was to mention the insults and harassment alone, then that's perfectly reportable and no one disagrees on that and can happen.

But, his core argument was in regards to something that is not even reportable and is trying to paint the discord groups as the bad ones. Since you haven't tried BA, you'd naturally sympathize with his story regarding what happened. But, those who know how BA works would easily tell there are holes in the story.

1- He did not mention how she got into the portal: Did she snipe it? did she mistakenly take it? was it just free for grabs?
2- He's talking about them agreeing on not raising her: How did he know that? did he listen to them on discord? Since no one speaks in chat except the very few who don't have a mic that are not even the decision makers.
3- So making this thread complaining about someone not sacrificing themselves for his friend makes it more obvious that it's either a bait thread or just a hate thread made out of spite due to them reaping what they sowed. (You may argue that they didn't read the warning, but let's be honest, someone knowing about the discord group, premades and what happens between them and sniping knows too well what goes on in BA).
4- Quitting the game because others didn't wanna sacrifice themselves for his friend to get a raise, but (assuming they sniped the portal) have no regard taking a spot of another player waiting for hours to get in saying "it's my right to take the portal". I

sniping a portal does not exist in this content. Its free for all. they cemented this with last update that gave players more time to find portals and use special entry item, as well as the second portal's randomized spawn, giving players in the general area a chance of getting in.

that said the death mechanics are told in text people probably dont read, and one should not expect a raise in BA, especially if you are not part of any group/ have a role.

as for the waiting for hours, this is a self created problem based on how NA chooses to organize. It does suck to lose out after jumping servers for hours, but a noob player is not going to have any realistic concept of that. People dont even talk in chat much about it anymore until it happens.

The way i see this is, noob player tries to interact with content, gets rocked, doesnt know why no one will raise them, because everywhere else, raise is easy, and common.

if the discord cared, they probably would add text macros with info/warnings, but they dont care, and they are not required to.

also its pretty likely people were mocking him, but it may not have been a concerted discord effort.

[Nihility]

Oh of course, the point I was more getting to is that it's honestly not worth the time to go beyond the whole 'Report it' - this sort of scenario was bound to happen, while you can dismantle their story and bring up the fabrications - the chance they're telling the truth and just not giving a full insightful relay due to language barriers or something is still there; however small as we're more likely to expect the worse, but that goes both ways. Best to just shrug it off and just go 'meh report the person; can't report the group' and be done with it. Anyone who is lying about this kind of stuff isn't doing it to have their opinion turned around; they're set to just hate on the discord groups and to attract an echo chamber. If they are 'lying' they've done just that in regards to the echo-chamber, look at the likes on their comment. While likes may not mean much; it does show that some are in agreement, or just find the post funny? Shrug.

My tldr just summed it up pretty nicely.


In the end the only plus I see from just dismantling is that it may convince a small number of folks to join the discords - the worst they're going to think it's an echo chamber/circle j*rk hopefully it's the former rather than the latter.

As for the outsider view, I don't have to go into Eureka or BA to know how it works. People explain it nicely in threads/Discord Groups/Twitch Streams etc; I like to educate myself on this stuff on the off chance that I'll eventually go into the content. My lack of interest of going into Eureka is due to paying attention to how Eureka unfolded - and my huge dislike of Pagos. While the first-hand experience always adds to that knowledge, it's not wise to just push away an opinion because someone hasn't gone through the experience and is going off a more second hand one with the information available by the forums/discord/media outlets - not that you were doing this, or so I hope.

I will agree with you though, something seems off, which adds to the whole 'well this isn't going to go anywhere with the information we have now.'

The most telling thing is when someone makes a big rant thread of "my friend this, my friend that"
That kind of talk has been a real life meme longer than computers existed

[AnnaRosa]

Its funny when it comes to a simple dungeon that is supposed to bring the best characteristics of each player to serve a common goal together can be so divisive and out of the 1st propose it was created for.

Elitism and what not.

[InkstainedGwyn]

Besides, if their friend "quit the game" today, nobody can report what happened because GMs want to hear from the player affected, not bystanders, friends, or friend's dog's sitter's sister's uncles.

[TheGrimace]

The Discord regularly goes out of its way to prevent toxicity. There will almost always be a few people in facet of life acting as a dissentor, but the Discord as a whole is not to blame and anyone spreading vitriol should be reported and dealt with as individuals.

If you want to blame a group, the developers of Eureka are the culprits here. They are the ones that linked Baldesion Arsenal to another instance, they're the ones that didn't predict the popularity of the content, and they are the ones responsible for making it so difficult to corral 48+ people into a single instance. Baldesion Arsenal has the potential to be great content, but the drama surrounding its entry is engulfing everything around it.

And due to the grindy nature of Eureka as a whole and past experience with Diadem, players do not know how long it will be before Eureka, and BA by extension, will die. Again, blame SE for linking BA to Hydatos. Maybe they can separate the content in a later patch, or make it easier to queue for. Until then, they need to see our complaints.

[Auryan]

sniping a portal does not exist in this content. Its free for all. they cemented this with last update that gave players more time to find portals and use special entry item, as well as the second portal's randomized spawn, giving players in the general area a chance of getting in.

that said the death mechanics are told in text people probably dont read, and one should not expect a raise in BA, especially if you are not part of any group/ have a role.

as for the waiting for hours, this is a self created problem based on how NA chooses to organize. It does suck to lose out after jumping servers for hours, but a noob player is not going to have any realistic concept of that. People dont even talk in chat much about it anymore until it happens.

The way i see this is, noob player tries to interact with content, gets rocked, doesnt know why no one will raise them, because everywhere else, raise is easy, and common.

if the discord cared, they probably would add text macros with info/warnings, but they dont care, and they are not required to.

also its pretty likely people were mocking him, but it may not have been a concerted discord effort.

Oh sniping exists alright. My last BA Discord group had a member get sniped. I say that because the person doing the sniping was banned from the Discord group for being an asshole and proceeded to create sock puppet accounts to stalk BA groups going in. When he managed to get in an instance with a BA group, he would literally shout in the instance that he was going to take a portal by using a key. And then he did. He knew exactly what he was doing, because he has been doing this for a while now. My group reported him/her.

[BillyKaplan]

Oh sniping exists alright. My last BA Discord group had a member get sniped. I say that because the person doing the sniping was banned from the Discord group for being an asshole and proceeded to create sock puppet accounts to stalk BA groups going in. When he managed to get in an instance with a BA group, he would literally shout in the instance that he was going to take a portal by using a key. And then he did. He knew exactly what he was doing, because he has been doing this for a while now. My group reported him/her.

Setting aside the rather stalkerish attitude they presented to go to that length, what I hear here is "they announced they were going to use legitimate functionality existing within the game to partake in content, and then legitimately gained access to aforementioned content". Did they force you to carry them once inside? Even if they did, though, it's still a different offense than "they took mah portal" which ultimately is still not reportable. Access to BA is a zero sum game - any person going in means someone else didn't, it's that simple.

Can I report the BA entry system for obstructing my gameplay experience?

[Cabalabob]

So I asked her again about it and for those going “oooh this story is full of holes we’re not getting the whole picture” here’s her unbiased account of what happened (since she doesn’t know I’m posting here and thinks this is just to me). So hopefully this will help dispel the shockingly high tolerance of bullying in here.

Q: So can you tell me about the BA incident you’re quitting over again?

A: Eh, I’m not quitting, just taking a break til ShB, kinda killed any desire I had to do the content and I’m all geared for the expansion, just wanted ozma Mount but it’s not worth that.

Q: So what exactly happened?

A: went into hydatos and saw BA support was up so I went over and helped kill it. Got the buff and went to a portal. Got in and said looking for party. Got comments like “f***ing sniper”, “you stole our members spot”, “we’re not gonna help you so you might as well leave”.

So I didn’t get any party invites but obviously I wasn’t gonna leave, like, what good would that do anyone? It’s not like that would bring the portal back. I had remembered and bloodbath so I thought maybe I could take care of myself, but nope, I died and of course remembered didn’t proc... at which point they all started cheering at my death.

Q: Yeah about that, you know the only way to raise in BA is sacrifice right? So maybe it wasn’t just that they were being dicks?

A: No no I know about sacrifice. It wasn’t that they didn’t raise me, it’s that they told people not to raise me. As in, I stayed to watch the rest of the fight and after they killed AV I used return to leave and shouted for a raise and the people started shouting not to raise me cause I took their spot and it’s my own fault I’m dead.

Q: You should report them.

A: Yeah, FC said that too, but after it happened I just logged out cause I was upset and I don’t remember any names in particular.

And yes it’s true it’s not the discord’s fault or even the group in questions fault, it’s SE fault for designing hard content with no way to group for it. Entry into BA is more designed for content like diadem while diadem entry would be ideal for BA so it’s all horribly backwards design.

But the content is designed to be entered solo and grouped up within. That’s just plain fact of the matter, so these groups that organise beforehand should not be excluding people for taking something from them that isn’t theirs to begin with.

[Stanelis]

That’s just plain fact of the matter, so these groups that organise beforehand should not be excluding people for taking something from them that isn’t theirs to begin with.

Then the people who enter shouldn't expect any help from the other 47/55 other players in the dungeon. As already stated, people are under no obligation to carry you in BA so if you enter on a whim you shouldn't expect to be entitled to any friendly behavior from people in the dungeon. Especially when it takes no effort to get into a discord group.

Even entering as a premade built in kugane without a discord would be better at this point. But obviously that doesn't happen because people who snipe portals only want to be carried and get the kill without putting in any effort of any sort.

Let me remind you that when someone snipe a portal on the support fate, if there is a support group, then somebody who:

a) Negociated to be in the scheduled run
b) made themselves available when the run is scheduled,
c) spent 30 min to 1 hour tryinn to get with the raid in the right instance,
d) waited 30 min in the instance for ovni to spawn,
e) waited 45 minutes to 1 hour for the support fate to spawn in Hydatos

Doesn t get to enter in BA because your friend wanted to get into BA on a whim whithout even preparing the proper logos actions (lol bloodbath/remembered). In this condition it is only natural that people would get angry. And yes, when a sniper dies on AV, we re happy, because it is one less potential missplaced meteor or bad acceleration bomb on Ozma (because if you die on AV, you ll do poorly on Ozma).