WHUT?!weaponskill animations gone ? Another ARC pigeon hole content.

[KitCat]

The only thing that aggravates me is when I respond to a shout for moogle/ifrit/whatever else, as mrd 50, and they ask "Do you have arc?". I say no (because quite frankly it's not as fun as mrd (even if we're only single target now), and I don't want to pay 100k per stack of arrows.) and then get "Sorry (No Thanks)" as a response.
/rageface

[Murugan]

It's not about trying to make it work, it's about one person bringing a toothpick to the fight, while another gets to bring a Jedi Lightsaber.

Except it's not like that at all. I don't know who told you the difference was that drastic, but they were misinformed.

The only thing that aggravates me is when I respond to a shout for moogle/ifrit/whatever else, as mrd 50, and they ask "Do you have arc?". I say no (because quite frankly it's not as fun as mrd (even if we're only single target now), and I don't want to pay 100k per stack of arrows.) and then get "Sorry (No Thanks)" as a response.
/rageface

Well in defense of pick up groups they likely don't know you at all, as a result they cannot gauge your ability or their group's chances with you in it, and what little control they can exert over trying to form a group instead comes from class stacking.

However I see we are on the same server. I can tell you for a fact that often times when we are farming these primal fights with 2 groups at once (because SE refuses to give us proper, alliance based endgame fights until 2.0) we invite 1-2 people either from Asia Pacifica (open linkshell), or failing that just random folks in Ul'dah to fill a group out so we can gain entrance.

In those instances I have never required those people to play "lancer" or "archer". I prefer much more obscure and irrelevant criteria absolutely necessary for us to win the fight. Such as "seeking Left Handed Players", "DD Gladiators preferred", or Canadians only.

[Thanos]

[QUOTE=Hikozaemon;489348] LNC MRD and PUG suffer in mog fight cus chasing down moolges that wont stay the hell still makes it impossible for them to DPS reliably [.QUOTE]

Ya know.. my LS effectively uses MRD and PUG in the moogle fight.. in fact we always bring 1 or the other with us.. think outside of the box for once please. There are other ways they are extremely useful and not neccessarily always DPS.

why is it always compared DPS to DPS.

[Lienn]

Well, i agree with KumaAkuma and KitCat. This lack of class balance is disgusting and the dev team is already making it "cultural" in this game...There's always a class way superior than others to the event they added, which causes the community to stack that class.

And the next stop, seeing that might be Garuda, will probabe take the game to FFXI style even more, allowing manaburn. I can already see 1 WHM 1 BRD 1 PLD 5 BLM...

This really upsets me...i always liked ppl playing whatever they want...when the class change was an option, not obligation.

[Murugan]

Well, i agree with KumaAkuma and KitCat. This lack of class balance is disgusting and the dev team is already making it "cultural" in this game...There's always a class way superior than others to the event they added, which causes the community to stack that class.

And the next stop, seeing that might be Garuda, will probabe take the game to FFXI style even more, allowing manaburn. I can already see 1 WHM 1 BRD 1 PLD 5 BLM...

This really upsets me...i always liked ppl playing whatever they want...when the class change was an option, not obligation.

There is no class that is "way superior" than others, I'm sorry but as I explained on the last page it isn't as big of an issue as you are making it out to be. All classes are clearly and unarguably capable of contributing to this fight.

You are quite simply wrong and are unfairly associating the fallacy promulgated by a minority in the community to a failure by the development team.

[KitCat]

I agree with Murugan's view on the subject. I wasn't saying that MRD couldn't do the fights anymore. I was stating that PUG groups are only interested in the easiest win, which is archers. I understand them, noone wants to invest that much time just to fail, (well I don't really care if it takes some trial and error. The battles are probably fun and tbh the rewards arent great anyway. Only really useful for town gear :/)

In those instances I have never required those people to play "lancer" or "archer". I prefer much more obscure and irrelevant criteria absolutely necessary for us to win the fight. Such as "seeking Left Handed Players", "DD Gladiators preferred", or Canadians only.

Haha that's excellent. Sounds fun.

Atlantic canada btw >;3

On the plus side I got a couple "end-game" LS recently so I'm sure I'll eventually get them done and get some experience with them. Just trying to work out scheduling and stuff is a bother because my work schedule doesn't line up with either of them lol. PUGs would just be much easier. Oh well.

[PrettyPrincess]

pro tip: the fight was designed for all classes to participate in. once again, it is the player base that thinks arc > everything else. we take a lnc to the fight, and his dps is basically the same as our arcs. so if you can't do it with other classes you're clearly doing something wrong.

[WiiSam]

[QUOTE=Thanos;490208]

LNC MRD and PUG suffer in mog fight cus chasing down moolges that wont stay the hell still makes it impossible for them to DPS reliably [.QUOTE]

Ya know.. my LS effectively uses MRD and PUG in the moogle fight.. in fact we always bring 1 or the other with us.. think outside of the box for once please. There are other ways they are extremely useful and not neccessarily always DPS.

why is it always compared DPS to DPS.

That isn't exactly the point they are trying to make Thanos. Sure, you can use any class configuration and WIN, but, using ARC stacking is the most efficient way...and that isn't a good thing. The most efficient way to beat a boss should always be based on people's individual class efficiency in a balanced classed group...that is all they are trying to say.

Sure I can beat mog with 1 of each class and 2 CONs, seems like a balanced group rig Thht? But it would take me maybe 40% less time to do it with 5 ARCS? So yes, the game is still unbalanced.

[Vorn]

That isn't exactly the point they are trying to make Thanos. Sure, you can use any class configuration and WIN, but, using ARC stacking is the most efficient way...and that isn't a good thing. The most efficient way to beat a boss should always be based on people's individual class efficiency in a balanced classed group...that is all they are trying to say.

Sure I can beat mog with 1 of each class and 2 CONs, seems like a balanced group rig Thht? But it would take me maybe 40% less time to do it with 5 ARCS? So yes, the game is still unbalanced.

Isn't that what's goin on now?

The dd classes are closer in damage then ever in this game.

Seems to me that the classes are based more on skill and knowing how to play then ever before. While having good gear helps, an efficient anything will always come out on top.

Also I'm like 99% sure there is an ls stacking mrds, they were fightning with some other ls in the "cheat" thread. So mrd vs arc isn't even an issue.

[PrettyPrincess]

Isn't that what's goin on now?

The dd classes are closer in damage then ever in this game.

Seems to me that the classes are based more on skill and knowing how to play then ever before. While having good gear helps, an efficient anything will always come out on top.

Also I'm like 99% sure there is an ls stacking mrds, they were fightning with some other ls in the "cheat" thread. So mrd vs arc isn't even an issue.

exactly. it's all about player skill.