how would you feel a about a genderless race

[Iscah]

so just like real life then?

Theoretically, yes.

Realistically, the switch is prone to getting stuck partway - sometimes visibly, more often something in the internal mechanism that doesn't align with where the switch appears to be set.

[Keife191]

Theoretically, yes.

Realistically, the switch is prone to getting stuck partway - sometimes visibly, more often something in the internal mechanism that doesn't align with where the switch appears to be set.

in the game weve established it wouldnt work. lets not get into the finer workings of gender identity theory. especially since as i initially stated its all subjective and based on the misguided premise that sex and gender are synonymous.

a "genderless" race just wont happen. for coding reasons like previously stated by you and others, and other reasons im sure that have already been suggested as well.

[Iscah]

based on the misguided premise that sex and gender are synonymous.

The terms can be synonymous. As I said, it is normal English usage for the word "gender" to refer to things being physically male or female, especially because the word "sex" has become something of a taboo, a word people might avoid using to be 'polite' even if it was once a straightforward term.

It's a matter of multiple definitions of a word - "gender" (in the now-common usage meaning whether something is male or female) is synonymous with "sex" (meaning whether something is male or female), but neither are synonymous with "gender" (meaning someone's mental perception of being male or female, regardless of their physical form).

[Keife191]

The terms can be synonymous. As I said, it is normal English usage for the word "gender" to refer to things being physically male or female, especially because the word "sex" has become something of a taboo, a word people might avoid using to be 'polite' even if it was once a straightforward term.

It's a matter of multiple definitions of a word - "gender" (in the now-common usage meaning whether something is male or female) is synonymous with "sex" (meaning whether something is male or female), but neither are synonymous with "gender" (meaning someone's mental perception of being male or female, regardless of their physical form).

slang doesnt make it synonymous. sex is what you were born as, gender is your role in society. the entire argument of gender identity can be resolved by making a clear distinction between these two terms as both sides are correct. if you have male genitalia you are a male, but your mind is not constrained to biology and you can "feel" like whatever you want.

[Iscah]

slang doesnt make it synonymous. sex is what you were born as, gender is your role in society. the entire argument of gender identity can be resolved by making a clear distinction between these two terms as both sides are correct. if you have male genitalia you are a male, but your mind is not constrained to biology and you can "feel" like whatever you want.

It is synonymous in that usage, which is the primary definition for "gender" in my 1992 dictionary (Collins pocket edition) - "the state of being male or female; sex." (Secondary definition: grammatical gender - which is the primary definition in my 1964 Oxford dictionary.) It isn't marked as a slang term.

You use "sex" and "gender" separately when you are discussing the differences between one's physical sex and their mental gender. When not making that distinction, it is acceptable English to use "gender" as a synonym for physical sex, and it's a lot easier to 'go with it' than take over a discussion with an argument on semantics.


I'm not going to continue this argument about the technicalities of whether it's proper usage or not, so I will just leave it at pointing out that the first screen of the game's character creation process says "Select your character's race and gender."


I'll also add, though not get into a long conversation about it, that while there are "two physical sexes", it's entirely possible and scientifically documented that some individuals are intersex, falling physically between the two.

[Keife191]

I'm not going to continue this argument about the technicalities of whether it's proper usage or not, so I will just leave it at pointing out that the first screen of the game's character creation process says "Select your character's race and gender."


I'll also add, though not get into a long conversation about it, that while there are "two physical sexes", it's entirely possible and scientifically documented that some individuals are intersex, falling physically between the two.

just because people use it wrong doesnt mean its right, the 90s is why so many people are confused today, when you muddle everything together thats what causes issues when trying to make a distinction because then you get what modern politics has turned into, no facts, only feelings. and intersex is a birth defect, not a biological sex which is binary.

[NessaWyvern]

and intersex is a birth defect, not a biological sex which is binary.

Arguably, biological sex isn't binary, as you can get people with chromosome disorders, where someone can be XXY, XXX, XYY or X0. And even these categories aren't neat and tidy, as some people might only have parts of those chromosomes. They wouldn't fit in the usual XY or XX categories

[HakaseNyan]

...and intersex is a birth defect, not a biological sex which is binary.

key word "disorder." biological sex is binary, disorders and defects arent apart of the design but are anomalies. sex is binary, you are born with male genitalia or female genitalia, your gender can be whatever you want, like i said the mind isnt constrained by biology.

It's so weird seeing someone argue sex has to be binary or else it's a disorder / defect, and 'gender' doesn't have to be binary. If intersex is a birthing disorder, then being trans-gendered is a mental disorder.