Yotsuyu, Fordola, syndrom of "a good writting"? (spoil)

[Mansion]

I guess this means we'll be seeing her in 4.55 MSQ.

I hope, actually! Back then in 4.3's "cliffhanger", I was sure Fordola would get some love because of Gaius' return. But my hopes are getting thinner: 4.56 will have to deal with a lot of things (the Call, the fight with Zenos, possibly a bit more info on the path to Shadowbringers), I don't see a spot for Fordola. But I could be wrong (and I hope I am!).

[Kazhim]

The world being "shattered" (really it's just 13 alternate worlds. Similar to the Source, but different... though I guess technically 12 worlds since the Ascians messed up and turned the 13th into a void. Warriors of Darkness messed up on the 1st, but Hydaelyn sent Minfillia there to siphon the Light) was because Zodiark was getting greedy, which had Hydaelyn banish him to the moon (3.2 cutscenes in the Antitower). We don't even know if there was life on the world before she sealed him away and the first lore book kinda implies that.

Yes i know, but i didnt get the other word to express myself, you see what i meant

but this story is weird, those 13 world materialy existe or are just some spiritual place? that i dont get,

[Kazhim]

It's in the Tales of the Storm thing, a serie of short stories around Stormblood, and there's one about Fordola being in an army regiment, being heroic and all. Quite lame in my opinion.

I liked Fordola, precisely because she is a monster. I think I talked about that some time ago and said something I wanted to sound witty like "If you actually feel something for a character, good or bad, then it's a good character". Fordola has a sad background, she grows evil and her only contact to reality is heroic (what she thinks so at least) combat. That's why she was a good soldier for Gaius, then Zenos, and now wherever she has been placed. Otherwise, she is constantly enduring her harsh past and her evil decisions. She's tragic in a way, and she trapped herself in this cycle. I did not feel the game was forcing us to forgive her or anything, she's most likely silenced past 4.1 when they awkwardly showed the "good" within her. I'm ok with that.

While now that we are facing different baddies... Solus is the stereotype of mad funny villain (Joker from Batman etc.), which I find dull. But Varis gained a bit of depth in that context.

well for solus, it deserve to entertain me instead to be original, so i wont ask more. Yes for Varis, which is funny in a way, dam his full armor is just so stupid, when there is the "pourparler" with league of eorzéa, i find him ridiculous. They should make him more simple like solus, he would gain in charism i think. And i think the same way for fordola, while caracter like lyse make me really sick to be stupidly dumb and useless.

[Beckett]

Wut? When did this happen? In 4.1, she assisted us in fighting Lakshmi and then once that was over, went straight back to prison (I'm also pretty sure she even requested that she go back to prison).

Yup. "It's done. Take me back to my cell."

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes.../#sidestory_07

Edit: Whoops, should have fully caught up on the thread.

[SannaR]

You might not want to skip everything with Lyse in it as she'll end up in a few with others and actually brings up a good point or two.

[SannaR]

Yes i know, but i didnt get the other word to express myself, you see what i meant

but this story is weird, those 13 world materialy existe or are just some spiritual place? that i dont get,

The other worlds are like alternate realities with their own balance of light and dark. On the first there's not a lot of darkness and so the forces working for Zoidark were weak. This is why when the WoDs came over they were so smug and seemingly being more powerful than even we were. Every rejoining breaks the barriers between a shard and the source and makes Hydalin weak in the process and making her suck in one of the other worlds. Now the 13th shard had the opposite of the first where there wasn't a lot of light and a lot of darkness so it lost and got swallowed up in a flood of darkness. Which as we've been told makes it unable to be rejoined. We don't know if some of the other worlds are more advanced than us or not. Of course a lot of the information we've gotten about how all of this works are from those who are causing these calamities which there have been seven.

[Kazhim]

You might not want to skip everything with Lyse in it as she'll end up in a few with others and actually brings up a good point or two.

sorry but she killed my patienc, bringing her whole asia like an unbraim american turist girl bored me a lot. i gave her a luck, now i wil save my time
this was befor she had to become something
now i dont care that is just too late.
she doesnt deserve to become leader of ala migho, she did absolutely nothing for it, where many other character struggled hardly.

[SannaR]

sorry but she killed my patienc, bringing her whole asia like an unbraim american turist girl bored me a lot. i gave her a luck, now i wil save my time
this was befor she had to become something
now i dont care that is just too late.
she doesnt deserve to become leader of ala migho, she did absolutely nothing for it, where many other character struggled hardly.

I'm not sure if you're caught up in the storyline or not, but she's in a few cut scenes with all the other leaders that info dumps things we know about as players. Things that our characters and our allies don't know about until then. She's also most likely will be in a few other ones coming up later this month when we finish the msq as she was shown in a fight scene with others from the trailer for 4.5. I mean skip them if you really can't stand her that much that not even other npcs and possible important plot point might get missed.

[Bright-Flower]

Fordola I liked well enough, she was really the only one of the three main antagonists that I had any investment in for SB. Not great but I was able to latch onto something. Oh and Grynwaht finally grabbed me during the last encounter with him. That was it as far as villains I latched onto this expansion.

Yotsuyu irritates me because she had such great potential but the way they executed her was just awful IMO.

[Alleo]

I kinda was fine with Fordolas redemption arc after showing us what she is going through with the fake echo. Constantly getting all these visions and on top of that helping out with primals makes it at least feel like she does atone. At least that may make up for all the things she has done. And her past made it at least understandable even if it was still wrong. Also people thanked her when she saved them from Lakshmi but still held some grudge towards her which I found to be the most human reaction for them.

Yotsuyus part was something I did not like. First showing her to us as this pure evil lady that kills and tortue people just for fun and her own amusement..then trying to make a bit of a redemption by taking away her memories in an accident that should have killed her and Gosetsu (and would have been the better ending imo for both of them). Her getting a second chance as this innocent person just doesnt feel right for me..no matter how hard your past was, its still your own choice how to react to that. She chose to take it out on all of Doma, even on those that did not even live when it happened to her. It was a nice way to show that all was not right with Doma in the past too and maybe a good hint at what they still need to change but honestly no country will ever be perfect in that way because you cant controll every single person living there. If she had just taken revenge on exactly those that wronged her, then fine it would have been more understandable but she was kinda punishing a whole population for the mistakes of a few and that is a big "No no" for me. At the end I was happy that she still died because at least she got her revenge but also no easy redemption by amnesia..(and wow the people of Namai seemingly forgive quite fast)

So one was growing on me over time but the other was imo a bad attempt at redemption.

Stuff like dungeon mobs can be left open to interpretation, so I make it a point to separate gameplay elements from the story. For all we know the WoL could've just incapacitated most non-major characters instead (same way that if you die in a dungeon you don't actually die, you just got knocked out).

Exactly. We have no idea how many we truly kill and most of them are probably in self defense. We do not go around and kill for the joy of it. We also cant forget that the animation for death and passing out is often the same and I kinda doubt that we for example went through training dungeons or the trial of the white dragon and kill all of these NPCs or even his children..I dare to say that our white dragon (can never spell is name..) would not go with us if we just slaughtered his children like that. We also often fight against monsters in dungeons. Any Garlean soldier we fought could be either killed or just knocked out and still those are soldiers not civilians. Which is the big difference between us and for example Yotsuyu.