Male Viera (BunBros) - We Want Them - With Heels!

[Cilia]

The lore is a possible excuse (since they can write the lore however they like), but remember that the Viera aren't original - they were in Ivalice first and exist as near-literal transplants from that setting. (Hell, an adaptation of Ivalice itself was grafted on!) Therefore the males being a rare commodity is to be expected... it's not like it's a new concept for the race or anything.

Again, I cannot stress how apathetic I am to the whole issue - I'm unconcerned with the Viera in the first place. Whatever the developers and writers decide to do is their creative decision or bound by previous Viera lore... but given there are already plenty of attractive male PC options, I seriously doubt they wouldn't add male Viera because it "weirds them out."

For the record I don't agree with gender-locked races either... but whether it's due to being bound by previous Viera lore or simply a creative decision, I can respect the choice not to have playable male Viera. It's a fantasy setting - things won't necessarily be realistic by definition. (Were things this uproarious when Viera were first introduced? Their society's been blatantly sexist all along...)

The existence of one iconoclastic male Viera doesn't necessitate their playability - remember that while your PC is in their own story the one and only Warrior of Light, there is a whole guild of other adventurers, which the other PCs presumably belong to. Given there will be lots of other male Viera PCs, the "special snowflake iconoclast" narrative doesn't really hold up... (and the Au Ra of both clans, at least, have the excuse of being refugees from Imperial attacks...)

Managed to get L - Roy and SUBARASHI! Time to start saving up again...

[Fenral]

I highly suspect they decided it "wasn't their call" with regards to male Viera and decided to stay true to their original incarnations elsewhere in the series, player demand be damned. But part of me also thinks that they may do male Viera and female [REDACTED] for the next expansion after the inevitable backlash.


Or, possibly, they were working on another male/female race and got a head start on female Viera thanks to Fran's inclusion in RTI, and decided to stagger the releases as a compromise. But that's just me guessing based on my limited experience in software development. I could be way off there.

Managed to get L - Roy and SUBARASHI! Time to start saving up again...

That is SUBARASHI! indeed. Just about the worst mistake you can make with him is learning his True Name, as that changes his voice set. Not that ZA DAINAMIKKS OFUAN... ASTEROIDO! isn't catchy in it's own way.

I was trying to come up with a consoling anecdote but then Wind Heles jumped into my arms on a single 10-part ticket, leaving my (SSR Feather when?) savings intact. It seems I will always be an ironic waifu magnet...

[Cilia]

[T]he lore can't be an excuse here. It doesnt matter if it's a pre-existing race, the lore was remade for 14. We are still IN 14. If the lore doesnt count anywhere else, it doesnt count here either. Its extremely contrarian logic to play lore excuses for Viera.

Absolutely nothing about the Viera was changed from their Ivalice incarnations - their clans, where they live, how their societies are structured, nothing. There is nothing original or rewritten about them at all. If they had altered their lore so it was more gender balanced OK, but they are the exact same Viera that exist in Ivalice... just on Hydaelyn now (in an area once known as Ivalice to boot). Nothing about them was rewritten or updated. Nothing.

If the Viera don't have playable males (and in my opinion that's a very, very big if), whatever reasoning they give is... well, what you get. Whatever the reasoning, if they choose to not make male Viera playable (or even to not have any in-game at all) that's what they choose, and it's up to them to live with the consequences. (Which will, of course, be a veritable shitstorm.)

I highly suspect they decided it "wasn't their call" with regards to male Viera and decided to stay true to their original incarnations elsewhere in the series, player demand be damned. But part of me also thinks that they may do male Viera and female [REDACTED] for the next expansion after the inevitable backlash.


Or, possibly, they were working on another male/female race and got a head start on female Viera thanks to Fran's inclusion in RTI, and decided to stagger the releases as a compromise. But that's just me guessing based on my limited experience in software development. I could be way off there.

That is SUBARASHI! indeed. Just about the worst mistake you can make with him is learning his True Name, as that changes his voice set. Not that ZA DAINAMIKKS OFUAN... ASTEROIDO! isn't catchy in it's own way.

I was trying to come up with a consoling anecdote but then Wind Heles jumped into my arms on a single 10-part ticket, leaving my (SSR Feather when?) savings intact. It seems I will always be an ironic waifu magnet...

I dunno. They haven't even hinted at the existence, let alone playability, of [REDACTED], so whatever that piece of data means if anything I couldn't possibly guess.

People getting worked up over nothing, if you ask me.

Hey, don't worry - I've got the Devil's luck when it comes to those kinds of things, and I'm used to it.

Roll a couple times on the Valentines' banner for the lulz? NP2 MHXA and Lancer Artoria get. Use tickets for the lulz? King Hassan and Edmond Dantès get.

Genuinely want Musashi / Moriarty? Gotta whale!

At least I have a whole year to build up what I have, since aside from the GSSR banner there's nothing I'm really interested in until Christmas releases Ereshkigal. The one good thing about the NA server is you can predict with relative accuracy when things are coming out, since it's... what, 2 years behind the JP server? And follows almost everything released therein almost in lockstep.

I'm only about halfway through Babylon and going very slow, so losing his great voice lines isn't an immediate issue. Getting ascension materials, on the other hand... why you gotta take pages, man?!

Word to the wise: if you have one do not take a Monster Manual to D&D sessions. DM no likey even if you're just using it to show people pictures.

[Tabbs]

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I had to double check the lore from old games. It is vague to the point where you can tell they've elaborated new lore on what already exists, but my bad for assuming it was all changed. I vaguely remember someone saying the old lore had men living in their own villages and being borderline warlike with the women aside from mating, but I can't find anything to support this.

But anyways, my point still stands. It's a terrible excuse considering lore is ignored in every other aspect, and, like Rokke said, it's very much on the 14 team.

[Crushnight]

Absolutely nothing about the Viera was changed from their Ivalice incarnations - their clans, where they live, how their societies are structured, nothing. There is nothing original or rewritten about them at all. If they had altered their lore so it was more gender balanced OK, but they are the exact same Viera that exist in Ivalice... just on Hydaelyn now (in an area once known as Ivalice to boot). Nothing about them was rewritten or updated. Nothing.

Actually they have been rewritten slightly leaving the forest no longer seems to make you an outcast to be shunned and i believe this was done to allow people to play Viera without fear they would be ostracized when we go to the Greatwood in 5.0 we also got way more lore on the males than any other game involving Viera, there is also the omission of the Foel Viera but given FF12:RW wiped them out no changes there if they aren't around.

[Cilia]

Actually they have been rewritten slightly leaving the forest no longer seems to make you an outcast to be shunned and i believe this was done to allow people to play Viera without fear they would be ostracized when we go to the Greatwood in 5.0 we also got way more lore on the males than any other game involving Viera, there is also the omission of the Foel Viera but given FF12:RW wiped them out no changes there if they aren't around.

(Maybe) lessening the stigma of leaving the village / forest and explaining what male Viera do with their lives isn't particularly significant.

They're still the exact same people from the exact same locale in the exact same region they are in Ivalice, with the exact same social structure and the exact same clans and the exact same attitude toward outsiders. They are the exact same people from Ivalice - just like people wanted. If that leads to the males being unplayable, well... careful what'cha wish for, I guess.

I still don't think that's the case, but whatevs...

[Crushnight]

(Maybe) lessening the stigma of leaving the village / forest and explaining what male Viera do with their lives isn't particularly significant.

It may seem like a small change but it actually has much bigger implications, Fran in ff12 was upset she couldn't hear the word of the forest anymore
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB9wIXEQeNo (2:30 start here)
its the most emotional Fran gets in the entire game willingly and its because she fears she has been abandoned by her very home something no Viera in ffxiv post Garlemald occupation seems to have to worry about that anymore.

Another implication is when you change 1 society law it calls into question other ones look at Ishgard for evidence bringing to light the dragonsong war also called into question everything the schlosticate had been teaching causing muggings/threats on their students so its not impossible for Viera mothers to then go why should i send my son away to most likely die alone when it is now ok for me to leave and return to the forest.

The biggest change between ff12 Viera and ffxiv Viera is the empire in their respective games ffxiv Viera are forced to interact more with other races this absolutely will change how they start to view things within their society it always starts off small but the snowball effect will kick in.

[Rokke]

The lore is a possible excuse (since they can write the lore however they like), but remember that the Viera aren't original - they were in Ivalice first and exist as near-literal transplants from that setting. (Hell, an adaptation of Ivalice itself was grafted on!) Therefore the males being a rare commodity is to be expected... it's not like it's a new concept for the race or anything.

Again, I cannot stress how apathetic I am to the whole issue - I'm unconcerned with the Viera in the first place. Whatever the developers and writers decide to do is their creative decision or bound by previous Viera lore... but given there are already plenty of attractive male PC options, I seriously doubt they wouldn't add male Viera because it "weirds them out."

For the record I don't agree with gender-locked races either... but whether it's due to being bound by previous Viera lore or simply a creative decision, I can respect the choice not to have playable male Viera. It's a fantasy setting - things won't necessarily be realistic by definition. (Were things this uproarious when Viera were first introduced? Their society's been blatantly sexist all along...)

iirc Tactics originally made it seem like Viera were an all female species, so no, there was no uproar out of the gate. Male Viera weren’t mentioned until 12’s Ultimania where it was revealed that they live separate from the females and the two rarely interact sans mating/collecting boys. We never saw them because we conveniently never wandered into male territory. If we don't get to play as them due to "lore reasons" it'll be on 14's team and imo that'll be incredibly disappointing after 2.0's inclusion of 2 genders per race.