Has anyone beaten good king mog without cheating?

[Rowln]

<3 Treach lol

[Baxta]

Wall of justice.

Now THAT had the real exploit drama, none of this junk drama!

[Richard_BG]

Because your LS is known for never going "through cheap exploits of game mechanics"? Kay.

care to give a detailed explanation just to humor us? i'm interested to see how you will pull this out of your ass.

Just wanna point out no one else from insomnia is making 1000posts about world first or using arc/death/whateverelseyouwannacallan exploit other than neo manafont, i'm embarrassed to be playing the same game as this dildo much less in the same ls, hes a terrible player and an even more annoying person. Just for the record i myself don't care who got world first or game first or whatever first, in fact i didn't even go with them the first day but i wouldn't be bragging about being world first on anything much less an easy fight like this even if i had and i usually wouldn't even give a thread like this a second thought but this guy is making us all look retarded so i thought i should point this out.

this is probably the best post on this /10char

[Isaaru]

No. Moral of the thread: while some people just genuinely and legitimately disagree with it being an exploit (an opinion they're entitled to, though some disagree) and some people just genuinely and legitimately don't see how it is an exploit (an opinion they're entitled to, though some disagree)- other people (ie: ones making comments like yours) are either feeling the weight of guilty conscience after winning through an exploit, OR they're selectively literate, conveniently ignoring the actual things being discussed pretty calmly and constructively in the thread with denotative language, and most likely conveniently subbing in their own connotative and highly subjective/biased perception of it.

troll harder, young padawan.

LOL I don't disagree it's an exploit, it obviously is. I just don't care about it enough to get into an argument over who did what first in a video game. And our linkshell beat it without the exploit, tyvm. Just let people enjoy the game. If you are really so upset about someone saying they got their kill before your linkshell by using an exploit, you really need to get out more.

[Treach]

Wall of justice.

Now THAT had the real exploit drama, none of this junk drama!

can't wait for 2.0 and some real drama, missed that in ffxi so bad

[Rowln]

I believe leve reset and powerleveling were considered "exploits".

[Isaaru]

Wall of justice.

Now THAT had the real exploit drama, none of this junk drama!

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[Treach]

So was thm soloing nms, like whatever that mossy nm goat sheep thing was, it's still a beta until 2.0. Even then don't expect a perfect exploit free game.

[Treach]

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Souleater AV after hp reduced patch anyone?

[Nero]

in sarcastic response to a previous conjecture. i don't see you quoting them and shaking your finger, though? if you're going to call a spade a spade, you have to do it across the board, kiddo. is that bias on your part?

Why do i have to? The only thing i have to do is dying someday, but before that i enjoy everything i do and dont waste my life with conjecture, what other people do on the whole Board. You are making a conjecture again, you know.

ever heard the phrase "eschew obfuscation"? if you're going to cite cliches, perhaps do it in the language of the current discussion. but once again, i don't see you holding this standard to those you seem to be leaping to the defense of. so go on and do that, then, and i'll wait.

It does not matter which language i use, as long as people get it. Should i mention that english is actually my 3rd language? So im really sorry, if you dont understand what im saying. You shouldnt talk about "standard" at all, which brings me to the Point of: This is your standard: "I am right, because i say so".

subjective = me calling this post idiotic.

however, reraise is currently implemented in ffxi, and not in ffxiv. that is factual, and objective. battlefields in ffxi allow for reraise mechanics (giving you a time limit after total wipe to regroup and try again), when in ffxiv they do not (immediately kicking the party upon total wipe). that is factual, and objective.

I will tell you why that Post was again subjective: You are twisting reality to your own beliefs. It does not matter if FFXI does allow reraise in a Battlefield or not, since this is simply not FFXI. The Current Game-mechanis allow you in FFXIV to recover in a Battlefield as long as one Member got a Raise. If you call this an exploit, you are of course allowed to it, but trying to say that people who made use of it, are exploiters is nothing else but bad-mouthing.

To kick a Group in FFXIV after everyone is dead is logical, since Reraise does not exist. There is no Reason to let a Party stay in the Battlefield, when they dont have a Chance to recover. Having a Raise on someone in the Party is changing this circumstance. And im pretty sure SE is aware of this since a long Time, since this method is used for a very long Time now. No, Moogle wasnt the first Situation where people used it.

You cant make something a fact, because you are saying so. This is the reason why you obviously dont understand the difference between subjective and objective. You can post subjective Posts as much as you want, but calling them objective is a bit dim.

it's also factual and objective that a myriad of different linkshells across different servers have been beating the fight without exploiting,

This is correct and what is your Point?

by using intended game mechanics,

Did SE say the possible Reset and Reraise is not an intended Game mechanic? I dont think so, or they would have fix it 6 Month ago.

using different strategies (ie: different party configurations, different kill orders, etc). therefore, it is objective and factual that comparing Divine Might and similar battles to this is invalid, because they're battles existing in and based upon wildly different mechanics.

Oh? Didnt you just compare FFXI's Death-mechanic in Battlefields to the FFXIV's Game-mechanis? But on the other Hand People are not allowed to compare Divine Might to the Moogle Fight? And again, just a subjective Post based on your personal opinion and far away from beeing objective.

additionally, it is therefore objective that it is an invalid example in intending to negate or undermine the claim that using the tactics in Divine Might means it's legal and intended to use them in Moggle Mog.

Same goes for FFXI Battlefield Game-mechanics.

my opinion is that it is indeed an exploit, and needs to be fixed. that part is subjective.

So is your whole Post. You tend to missunderstand what people are saying. You can feel whatever you want and you can talk about it like you want. BUT as long as SE didnt say a single word on this and did not confirm you or anyone else, all of your Posts are simply subjective. You do not work for SE, you dont get personal Briefings with Yoshida or something like that, which could prove your Point. Its all based on your personal opinion and if you would be objective you would understand that other People dont see it the way you do.

however, my opinion in this case is based upon factual, objective evidence.

Thats your opinion of course, but doesnt make it fact.

now show me yours, to counter.

Does my opinion to this really matters? I have no room to talk about this circumstance and the decision if its an exploit or not, since SE didnt say a single word yet. SE posted asap after the PL-exploit happend, but i dont see it happen for the Moogle fight so far. I would assume this is not an exploit then, but i can be wrong of course.

again, you're attempting to skew the discussion. a lot of people may be easily swayed by this, but i'm no idiot.

You should stop making conjectures. Thats the only thing making you look like an idiot.

you'll have to try harder.

Try harder? With what? I didnt even start yet. lol

i don't care that we didn't get world first. i care that it was achieved through cheap exploitation of game mechanics to totally wipe the true difficulty and heart of the encounter's challenge, and that people continue to do it and continue to defend it.

You are lying to yourself sir. If you wouldnt care, you wouldnt post at all.

i keep reiterating this countless times in the threads, and no amount of "hurrr ur just mad we beat u hurrrr" projection by the bads/trolls/exploiters will change its existence, meaning, or authenticity.

Should i remember you how "you BG people" acted in the Past, when BG got something first?

leave it to people to call it 'overreaction' to be upset about exploiting in games. i guess people shouldn't care that the Patriots were cheating while winning superbowls, and vegas should turn off its extensive and intricate security camera systems and just allow people to win however they want. enron? that's cool, guys. embezzle all the money you want.

Mixing a Game and Reality? I have no idea if you are serious about that.

who really cares, right?

Correct.

let people play any game however they want, right?

Correct.

who needs integrity?

Noone in a virtual Game.

and better yet- why bother championing it?

Exactly.

i guess let's just petition SE to let us have cheat codes for infinite gil, infinite levels and anything else in the game we could ever want,

Subjective, Overreacting and far away from Reality. Excuse me, what is your Point again?

because cheating clearly doesn't impact a game with many other players yeah?

You are still acting like you would know this is an exploit, without SE saying something about it. What about simply wait and see if it is?

who cares! just have fun!

I dont care, im having fun right now.