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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    Don't get me wrong, I never said she was a redeemable character. But it was Yotsuyu who is blood stained, not Tsuyu. If Lord Hien felt as you do, he would have finished her off right in front of Gosetsu without a second thought to bring justice to the Domans.

    From my character's perspective, I harbored no sympathy for Yotsuyu and failed to trust her even after Yugiri said that her memory loss is legit. Like I said in my post though, she swapped places with her mirror reflection and was no longer Yotsuyu. Of course, this doesn't erase or pardon her treachery and had her memory never returned and allowed to live out her days as a citizen of Doma, Lord Hien would constantly have to intervene with his people to prevent her from being murdered. Anyone who put her to the blade would be killing a child, and have to be punished accordingly to Doma's laws. What really pissed me off about Yotsuyu was that she was able to flee from Hien's establishment not once, but TWICE! It was almost as if we wanted someone to kill her since we couldn't do it ourselves.

    I think the moral of the story is not to have a nice family, but rather everyone is born innocent and monsters are created.
    The problem is that nobody in the story was judging people at birth. In fact, Heavensward already covered this territory about generational sin, so as a result nobody changes from this story. Hien wasn't judging people by birth, Gosetsu wasn't judging people by birth and Yugiri was wary from way back in AAR that people might judge her from her birth because of her race. And the WoL already went through the Dragonsong War. Nobody learned anything from Yotsuyu's tale except Yotsuyu's backstory. No one had an arc and nobody learned from the moral "everyone is born innocent" because that was never in dispute. The only time I can think this comes up is during the Samurai class story, which is entirely a Kugane problem with no characters appearing in the MSQ.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    It's because Fordola isn't an imperial citizen, she is Ala Mhigan so she would never rise through the ranks of the Garlean empire no matter what she did. When Zenos took her under his wing, she caught a lot of flack for being his hussy and pet, and to Zenos she was just a low risk test subject. Anything and everything that would happen to her, nobody would care. It was only a matter of how many she can cut down before she herself receives a fatal blow. The ironic thing, is that the low risk that WAS involved with her, the empire ends up paying for. She doesn't die, is eventually captured, gives valuable information to the resistance, and even aids in bringing down an Eikon. Everything that could go wrong by infusing her with an artificial echo does go wrong for the empire. Through the echo, she even comes to learn that the WoL is a giant ball of PTSD and comes to respect him/her.
    "When Ala Mhigo was under the command of Gaius van Baelsar, he appointed Fordola and other Ala Mhigans born from digitaries as honorary citizens of the empire by serving in the Garlean militant group known as the Cania Lupi." - https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Fordola_rem_Lupis

    While not technically a full citizen, Fordola was more of a citizen of the Empire then Yotsuyu whom was not even born under Imperial rule or even granted honorary citizenship. Even in the wiki, Fordola is listed as a Garlean citizen, while Yotsuyu is not.
    https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki...rlean_citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Bright-Flower View Post
    Zenos put her in charge and his reasons were far from 'I value you as a person.' He put her in charge because he wanted the effect that her hatred would have on the domans. And had no qualms with manhandling her when we were in Doma.
    Quote Originally Posted by Enla View Post
    There's also the psychological element of having your country basically being handed to a former citizen. One that doesn't see you just as a second class citizen like the majority of the Garlean Empire would, but as a culture and people specifically needing to be made to HURT for everything she herself suffered.
    Which means the Empire doesn't care about "Barbarians" and racial superiority anymore if they hand over command to a Barbarian. This contradicts Fordola's story. Either the Empire is practicing Realpolitik or it's ideologically driven, it usually can't be both. Especially since Doma and Ala Mhigo had the same leader.
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    Last edited by Edax; 02-26-2019 at 06:51 AM.