Baldesion Arsenal and new ToS Combo

[Metalwrath]

NA cleared before DF had problems. Did EU have problem before the 14th? And JP didn't have that problem and still haven't cleared it first. So the point still stands. Information alone won't help clear BA (And don't get me wrong, I'm not sayin NA players are the best) they were the most organized of the three. And information + organization = easy BA clear.

Eu had issues with df starting the day after Hydatos was released.This went on for 3 days.Those that were lucky to get in were waiting for reserved instance to get in for 2 hours+.A lot never even got in.
So yeah not many people got a chance to go near BA or to even lvl to 60.

[Alucard135]

Eu had issues with df starting the day after Hydatos was released.This went on for 3 days.Those that were lucky to get in were waiting for reserved instance to get in for 2 hours+.A lot never even got in.
So yeah not many people got a chance to go near BA or to even lvl to 60.

Well in that case I can't talk about EU in my arguments. But it still stands for JP and NA, since NA managed to clear before the DF issue.

I was part of the group going for EU 1st during those days and i can tell you it is thanks to both NA and JP that we got the information for Raiden and AV but when we were trying to go for Ozma we lost 2 hours for df messing up and lost half the grps due to raiding and timezones as people needed sleep, then the very next day we lost another 5+ hours of ozma as earlier before df messed up we got ozma to 67% so we were well learning it so in all EU lost 3 to 4 Ozma pulls before NA got world 1st certainly EU could've gotten it but DF messed everything up so we'll never know how it would have gone, if they do this content again maybe both JP and NA can have the same problems while learning and see if they still get 1st eh?

But you were in an organized party, right?. My point isn't that those who cleared first are better. But it was those who cleared first were organized and not just a group of randoms that change every time they try to run the content. Was your party made of random pugs or was it the same group trying over and over?

[Crushnight]

But you were in an organized party, right?. My point isn't those who cleared first are better. But it was those who cleared first were organized and not just a group of randoms that change every time they try to run the content. Was your party made of random pugs or was it the same group trying over and over?

Absolutely organised couldn't do it week 1 without it, you needed the consistancy for the runs but now that mechanics are more readily available to people we can have randoms occasionally be able to have a chance to do it new people runs are more common now within the discord

[Alucard135]

Absolutely organised couldn't do it week 1 without it, you needed the consistancy for the runs but now that mechanics are more readily available to people we can have randoms occasionally be able to have a chance to do it new people runs are more common now within the discord

Thank you! It's sad that you couldn't get it first but there's always a next time for other content. But you showed the point I wanted to make, since some people here have the mindset that it shouldn't be done with an organized group and everyone should join randomly, since it's made to be a pug content (which I think they mistook for casual). And not realizing that even pug content like savage requires a static to clear the tier at first week and even then still require PF for pugs not just randomly queuing for it.
If randoms started sniping portals from your group, that would have surely destroyed a bunch of runs and delayed it even further.

It was cleared first week with pug group.The pugs werent the first to clear it that week but it was pug cleared regardless if you refuse to accept that.

Why are you saying I refuse to accept that? Have you read my previous reply regarding your comment on that matter?

And if it's that easy to randomly pug it, have you cleared it yet?

[Metalwrath]

Thank you! It's sad that you couldn't get it first but there's always a next time for other content. But you showed the point I wanted to make, since some people here have the mindset that it shouldn't be done with an organized group and everyone should join randomly, since it's made to be a pug content (which I think they mistook for casual). And not realizing that even pug content like savage requires a static to clear the tier at first week and even then still require PF for pugs not just randomly queuing for it.
If randoms started sniping portals from your group, that would have surely destroyed a bunch of runs and delayed it even further.

It was cleared first week with pug group.The pugs werent the first to clear it that week but it was pug cleared regardless if you refuse to accept that.

[Leanna]

Neither do you. Purposely taking a portal with the intent to ruin a run after a premade says that they plan to run the content and asks players not to take portals from their group (be it a fragment run, or prog on AV/Ozma) is griefing, and you can be reported and punished for it. If you're looking to clear BA in its entirety, it's far more feasible to be in a group where everyone can communicate via voice chats, as you can't just type during mechanics that will one-shot you if you fail it. It's all about practicality - you don't even have to speak. I keep my mic muted every time I join one.

Seriously. These discords are designed to help people do this content. I'm in the NA one and they've done nothing but help me. A frag run even offered to turn into an AV prog run for us newbies that haven't been to AV one evening (sadly, the shark FATE was not defeated but it was still kind of them to offer that).



Last I heard, JP is not doing full random PUGs made in an instance. I've heard they enter the same way NA and EU do: via already formed premades.

They make the groups there before go in, not in Discord.

And I didn't know SE remove the chat and use of macros from FF with BA. /s

[Eloah]

I find it funny how, while not my intent, this thread is proving my point about the new ToS. That Square created this environment, and now even the most minor of infractions can be seen as reportable.

[Metalwrath]

I find it funny how, while not my intent, this thread is proving my point about the new ToS. That Square created this environment, and now even the most minor of infractions can be seen as reportable.

Players created this enviroment not SE.
Im honestly sick and tired of seeing people make threads about this and that trying to blame SE for players being hostile to each other.Thats a personal choice not something SE has forced on players.
I dont get how society has gotten to this stage where people look to throw the blame anywhere but themselves for their own behaviour.

[Beckett]

This is the housing shortage all over again. Square-Enix develops a terrible system and players blame other players over it. When a player owns an empty house and you can't buy a house, that is not the house owner's fault. That is SE's fault for making a bad system where housing is limited.

Here's a sad story that happened to my group. We were the support group and our BLM portal got sniped by a WAR. And that WAR was alone with Cure logograms and barely helped in killing AV and Ozma and got the mount. While our BLM that was waiting for hours got nothing.

That sucks, and I absolutely feel sympathy for your BLM friend, as well as everyone in the premade who wanted to do the content together. But the Warrior is not at fault. No matter how tempting it is to to blame the obvious target, there is absolutely nothing in-game that said the WAR didn't have every right to click that portal and join the instance. Every ounce of blame should be hurled towards SE for creating a system where this can happen.

[Vnolan]

Neither do you. Purposely taking a portal with the intent to ruin a run after a premade says that they plan to run the content and asks players not to take portals from their group (be it a fragment run, or prog on AV/Ozma) is griefing, and you can be reported and punished for it.

I'm just going to take their portal and do the content in their stead.

That wouldn't be griefing.

I hope that SE is doing something about, since its incredible frustrating for both sides. Especially on EU Data Center we have one troll who stalks BA groups, follows them and snipes portals on purpose just to annoy each and everyone. Players who see him in the instance start to panic when they see him.

That's griefing. It can and should be reported.

Both sides are right and yet both are wrong too.

But not equally. The presence of a premade means there are 48-56 fewer PUGs that could group up. Premades aren't just asking for portals so they can get in, but so they can bypass having to acquire a stabilizer. PUGs wouldn't have a problem pairing with a portion of a premade. A full premade can't pair with PUGs or another premade.

On the one hand the premade players are entering Hydatos and basically shouting that this is "their" instance, and join up with other premades to defeat the NM that spams the portals.

There's no winning with this. Best case they announce early on they have a premade where every member has a stabilizer. It's the most courteous thing to do but it still tells everyone else they have no chance of getting into BA in that instance.

But thanks to the new ToS both could be punished for doing nothing at all. Both could claim the portal was "sniped" but the other might not even have been aware. And that presents a serious issue.

The new ToS can largely be ignored. Taking a portal with the intention to grief would have been reportable under the "old" rules. Neither can claim a portal was sniped because there is no such thing.

What are other peoples thoughts on this?

Yet another instance of SE lacking foresight. It's something to be admired.