Baldesion Arsenal and new ToS Combo

[LeoLupinos]

Yes you are right, we should not allow peons to walk the BA alongside the elite.
I mean, come one, why on earth do they want to do the content now, when it's alive ? Can't they just wait for it to be dead to try and get that mount ?!

Can't they group up on the BA discord? Come one, they created a amazing tool for organization but no, the neanderthal way is the best, invade the BA and expect to get carried, and blame the people that are striving to get the clear.

It's like as if the BA discord is a complete secret and selective group that only accepts players that cleared Ultimate.
It's easy to group up there. Don't invade others BA just because you can.
If the game allowed you do invade others savage pre-made like BA would it be right? No? Then why invading BA is right? It's not.

[KaivaC]

Can't they group up on the BA discord? Come one, they created a amazing tool for organization but no, the neanderthal way is the best, invade the BA and expect to get carried, and blame the people that are striving to get the clear.

It's like as if the BA discord is a complete secret and selective group that only accepts players that cleared Ultimate.
It's easy to group up there. Don't invade others BA just because you can.
If the game allowed you do invade others savage pre-made like BA would it be right? No? Then why invading BA is right? It's not.

I agree that the BA discord was a good idea for tackling the BA. The community knows how to come together to overcome challenges such as this public dungeon. But vice-versa, not everybody can or wants to create a discord account, and some players coming into Hydatos currently may not even be aware because they may not follow the various resources online like we do. The center of the problem is that SE created something and did not anticipate that there would be massive problems, especially given the limitations (only 56 players in a 114 max instance) and the heavy penalty for failing. I agree, those players who are aware of premades for BA and/or lack basic etiquette are a pain in the rear to deal with and perhaps they deserve the anger if they snipe.

But not everyone falls under that scope.

[Celef]

Can't they group up on the BA discord? Come one, they created a amazing tool for organization but no, the neanderthal way is the best, invade the BA and expect to get carried, and blame the people that are striving to get the clear.

It's like as if the BA discord is a complete secret and selective group that only accepts players that cleared Ultimate.
It's easy to group up there. Don't invade others BA just because you can.
If the game allowed you do invade others savage pre-made like BA would it be right? No? Then why invading BA is right? It's not.

They are different reasons that can make someone not getting on discord, the obvious one beeing the langage.
for some of us, english is not a mother tongue and joining a discord can be very difficult considering it's easier to understand a sentence when it's written (we can re read it several times) than to get what others a saying (may be beaucse of accent, expressions taht are only used when spoke etc etc).

I'll take myself, a "baguette du fromage", as an exemple : I can read english, no problem (except with some shortcut) and I think my writing is not THAT bad, people usually understand me but I have real issues when i speak with Americans cause they speak very fast and tend to "eat" some words. On the other hand, I can easely understand someone from the UK because their prounonciation is more clear to my ear.

Does that mean I'll never have a chance to get into BA because of that ? caus if I join the discord :
1. If they ear speak, they'll just loose their focus with my accent ^^"
2. I'll need the RL to repeat very slowly what he says because I might not be abble to catch it the first time

[Metalwrath]

There is a reason there are 56 portals and not just 7 portals for 8 man teams.
BA was designed to be pugged.
If people want to go premade and they dont get the portals thats just tough luck.
First come first served.Thats the way BA was designed.There is nothing to stop all these people making teams once they are inside and setting up discord server once inside for the groups.
Simple matter is only reason premades are angry is because they cant get all their buddies in to get rewards.

[Alucard135]

There is a reason there are 56 portals and not just 7 portals for 8 man teams.
BA was designed to be pugged.
If people want to go premade and they dont get the portals thats just tough luck.
First come first served.Thats the way BA was designed.There is nothing to stop all these people making teams once they are inside and setting up discord server once inside for the groups.
Simple matter is only reason premades are angry is because they cant get all their buddies in to get rewards.

It is designed to be pugged, yes but not a casual content. Just like savage content is designed to be pugged. But would you jump into a savage clear party without knowing the fight just to end up wiping them all? They wouldn't know you're new, since their PF won't have [Duty Complete] on it and you have every right to join. They would know when you start making mistakes and waste their time.

And here's the thing, if it wasn't for a premade group in an instance, no one would bother touching BA, excpet a group or two. Now that a premade joined an instance, suddenly everyone wants and take a portal? What's the reason for that? Do they think they will be carried? The groups there have every right also to not invite you and leave you solo there and you'll risk deleveling. And if a tank spot was sniped and there are no 6 tanks, good luck progressing past rooms. So they basically destroyed the run.

Just as you have every right to join a PF that doesn't have [Duty complete] you have a right to take a portal. But if you know that you might destroy a run, should you do it?

Na admitted a lot of it was down to the info they gained off Japanese and EU runs.
EU would have likely been first to clear but our Duty finder was broken for several days and people struggled to even get into Eureka.

Why haven't they cleared first then? BA is easy once you know how the fights go. Yet, it was NA that cleared and not JP or EU. Why? Because NA was the most organized they easily farmed fragments and the items to gear up for the fights to pass AV and Ozma's enrage. If you look at the world first clear, you'll see a lot wearing the FFXI gear.

[Leanna]

Why haven't they cleared first then? BA is easy once you know how the fights go. Yet, it was NA that cleared and not JP or EU. Why? Because NA was the most organized they easily farmed fragments and the items to gear up for the fights to pass AV and Ozma's enrage. If you look at the world first clear, you'll see a lot wearing the FFXI gear.

NA players only knew how to clear it after see the latest Japanese wipe, Japanese players cleared it next try.

No it's because most of them in NA are scared to step foot in BA randomly unless they know there's a group that knows how things are done so they try to sneak in. So many times I joined random groups to BA to have them just disband at the entrance because not enough is there.

You can't make the picture more pathetic, if it wasn't because everyone was watching the streams of Japanese players doing progression and discovering stuff, you basically say in NA you couldn't even dream of clear BA.

[Alucard135]

Answer was in the text you quoted but i guess you didnt read it.

NA cleared before DF had problems. Did EU have problem before the 14th? And JP didn't have that problem and still haven't cleared it first. So the point still stands. Information alone won't help clear BA (And don't get me wrong, I'm not sayin NA players are the best) they were the most organized of the three. And information + organization = easy BA clear.

It only took a week to have an EU pug clear.But please lie more XD

Where did I lie? Did I say pugs can't clear it? Don't put words that I didn't say in my mouth. They can if they have people that are well geared and know what they're doing. And this isn't the case in NA. Those who know the fight prefer joining with premades because they know they have a higher chance of clearing. So they don't join random pugs most of the times. So you have a higher chance of getting a party that can wipe.

NA players only knew how to clear it after see the latest Japanese wipe, Japanese players cleared it next try. You can't make the picture more pathetic, if it wasn't because everyone was watching the streams of Japanese players doing progression and discovering stuff, you basically say in NA you couldn't even dream of clear BA.

So? Are you saying that having a well organized group has by no means any effect on clearing? I guess it's time to do UCoB without a static lol.
Did I deny the use of the info they got from the streams had any value to them? And yet, it wasn't JP that cleared first. So again, information alone isn't enough for BA. I'm not comparing which DC is better than the other. The point (that I hope doesn't go flying by you again) is that organization matters and plays a role. And it shows why NA was first.

[Metalwrath]

NA cleared before DF had problems. Did EU have problem before the 14th? And JP didn't have that problem and still haven't cleared it first. So the point still stands. Information alone won't help clear BA (And don't get me wrong, I'm not sayin NA players are the best) they were the most organized of the three. And information + organization = easy BA clear.

Eu had issues with df starting the day after Hydatos was released.This went on for 3 days.Those that were lucky to get in were waiting for reserved instance to get in for 2 hours+.A lot never even got in.
So yeah not many people got a chance to go near BA or to even lvl to 60.

[SaitoHikari]

NA cleared before DF had problems. Did EU have problem before the 14th? And JP didn't have that problem and still haven't cleared it first. So the point still stands. Information alone won't help clear BA (And don't get me wrong, I'm not sayin NA players are the best) they were the most organized of the three. And information + organization = easy BA clear.

It is also worth noting as someone who knows some of the people within the world first group, one of the major reasons why they organized so quickly to take down BA as soon as possible is that they saw this crap show coming from a mile away. They got their clear before the rest of the community caught up to them to cause problems in organizing. I personally witnessed the organization efforts whenever the group was in an instance I was in prior to their clear, everyone in the instance understood what they were attempting to do and got out of their way. At one point, I saw them gather around a fairy, and everyone waited until the whole group was present so they all could grab the fairy buff at once, instead of chasing the fairy randomly across the map because of staggered buffing. (That was also the point where we learned that the fairy can apparently only buff around 30 people at once in a single cast.)

I imagine most people that considered trying to muscle in on their efforts either weren't level 60 yet and thus couldn't even participate if they wanted to, or knew there was a high possibility of screwing up (in a raid with no guides existing at that point in time) and having it recorded on a stream that was being watched worldwide.

Also, IIRC EU wasn't even in the race because they had DF/connection problems all throughout that first week of release.

Come to think of it, I think it would help tremendously if all NMs in Hydatos gave a low amount of Eurekan Fragments upon reaching elemental level 60 as well. That way, 'frag runs' wouldn't really be a thing anymore, which would mean that all BA runs thereafter are either going to be learning/prog or clear runs, and people would more actively spawn NMs on the east side of the map. I imagine this would also free up more instances for public runs. Of course, whether people will actually organize for public runs instead of hoping to sneak into discord runs on purpose is another thing entirely.

[Metalwrath]

Why haven't they cleared first then? BA is easy once you know how the fights go. Yet, it was NA that cleared and not JP or EU. Why? Because NA was the most organized they easily farmed fragments and the items to gear up for the fights to pass AV and Ozma's enrage. If you look at the world first clear, you'll see a lot wearing the FFXI gear.

Answer was in the text you quoted but i guess you didnt read it.