Baldesion Arsenal and new ToS Combo

[Leanna]

Why haven't they cleared first then? BA is easy once you know how the fights go. Yet, it was NA that cleared and not JP or EU. Why? Because NA was the most organized they easily farmed fragments and the items to gear up for the fights to pass AV and Ozma's enrage. If you look at the world first clear, you'll see a lot wearing the FFXI gear.

NA players only knew how to clear it after see the latest Japanese wipe, Japanese players cleared it next try.

No it's because most of them in NA are scared to step foot in BA randomly unless they know there's a group that knows how things are done so they try to sneak in. So many times I joined random groups to BA to have them just disband at the entrance because not enough is there.

You can't make the picture more pathetic, if it wasn't because everyone was watching the streams of Japanese players doing progression and discovering stuff, you basically say in NA you couldn't even dream of clear BA.

[Alucard135]

Answer was in the text you quoted but i guess you didnt read it.

NA cleared before DF had problems. Did EU have problem before the 14th? And JP didn't have that problem and still haven't cleared it first. So the point still stands. Information alone won't help clear BA (And don't get me wrong, I'm not sayin NA players are the best) they were the most organized of the three. And information + organization = easy BA clear.

It only took a week to have an EU pug clear.But please lie more XD

Where did I lie? Did I say pugs can't clear it? Don't put words that I didn't say in my mouth. They can if they have people that are well geared and know what they're doing. And this isn't the case in NA. Those who know the fight prefer joining with premades because they know they have a higher chance of clearing. So they don't join random pugs most of the times. So you have a higher chance of getting a party that can wipe.

NA players only knew how to clear it after see the latest Japanese wipe, Japanese players cleared it next try. You can't make the picture more pathetic, if it wasn't because everyone was watching the streams of Japanese players doing progression and discovering stuff, you basically say in NA you couldn't even dream of clear BA.

So? Are you saying that having a well organized group has by no means any effect on clearing? I guess it's time to do UCoB without a static lol.
Did I deny the use of the info they got from the streams had any value to them? And yet, it wasn't JP that cleared first. So again, information alone isn't enough for BA. I'm not comparing which DC is better than the other. The point (that I hope doesn't go flying by you again) is that organization matters and plays a role. And it shows why NA was first.

[Metalwrath]

NA cleared before DF had problems. Did EU have problem before the 14th? And JP didn't have that problem and still haven't cleared it first. So the point still stands. Information alone won't help clear BA (And don't get me wrong, I'm not sayin NA players are the best) they were the most organized of the three. And information + organization = easy BA clear.

Eu had issues with df starting the day after Hydatos was released.This went on for 3 days.Those that were lucky to get in were waiting for reserved instance to get in for 2 hours+.A lot never even got in.
So yeah not many people got a chance to go near BA or to even lvl to 60.

[Alucard135]

Eu had issues with df starting the day after Hydatos was released.This went on for 3 days.Those that were lucky to get in were waiting for reserved instance to get in for 2 hours+.A lot never even got in.
So yeah not many people got a chance to go near BA or to even lvl to 60.

Well in that case I can't talk about EU in my arguments. But it still stands for JP and NA, since NA managed to clear before the DF issue.

I was part of the group going for EU 1st during those days and i can tell you it is thanks to both NA and JP that we got the information for Raiden and AV but when we were trying to go for Ozma we lost 2 hours for df messing up and lost half the grps due to raiding and timezones as people needed sleep, then the very next day we lost another 5+ hours of ozma as earlier before df messed up we got ozma to 67% so we were well learning it so in all EU lost 3 to 4 Ozma pulls before NA got world 1st certainly EU could've gotten it but DF messed everything up so we'll never know how it would have gone, if they do this content again maybe both JP and NA can have the same problems while learning and see if they still get 1st eh?

But you were in an organized party, right?. My point isn't that those who cleared first are better. But it was those who cleared first were organized and not just a group of randoms that change every time they try to run the content. Was your party made of random pugs or was it the same group trying over and over?

[Crushnight]

But you were in an organized party, right?. My point isn't those who cleared first are better. But it was those who cleared first were organized and not just a group of randoms that change every time they try to run the content. Was your party made of random pugs or was it the same group trying over and over?

Absolutely organised couldn't do it week 1 without it, you needed the consistancy for the runs but now that mechanics are more readily available to people we can have randoms occasionally be able to have a chance to do it new people runs are more common now within the discord

[Alucard135]

Absolutely organised couldn't do it week 1 without it, you needed the consistancy for the runs but now that mechanics are more readily available to people we can have randoms occasionally be able to have a chance to do it new people runs are more common now within the discord

Thank you! It's sad that you couldn't get it first but there's always a next time for other content. But you showed the point I wanted to make, since some people here have the mindset that it shouldn't be done with an organized group and everyone should join randomly, since it's made to be a pug content (which I think they mistook for casual). And not realizing that even pug content like savage requires a static to clear the tier at first week and even then still require PF for pugs not just randomly queuing for it.
If randoms started sniping portals from your group, that would have surely destroyed a bunch of runs and delayed it even further.

It was cleared first week with pug group.The pugs werent the first to clear it that week but it was pug cleared regardless if you refuse to accept that.

Why are you saying I refuse to accept that? Have you read my previous reply regarding your comment on that matter?

And if it's that easy to randomly pug it, have you cleared it yet?

[Metalwrath]

Thank you! It's sad that you couldn't get it first but there's always a next time for other content. But you showed the point I wanted to make, since some people here have the mindset that it shouldn't be done with an organized group and everyone should join randomly, since it's made to be a pug content (which I think they mistook for casual). And not realizing that even pug content like savage requires a static to clear the tier at first week and even then still require PF for pugs not just randomly queuing for it.
If randoms started sniping portals from your group, that would have surely destroyed a bunch of runs and delayed it even further.

It was cleared first week with pug group.The pugs werent the first to clear it that week but it was pug cleared regardless if you refuse to accept that.

[SaitoHikari]

NA cleared before DF had problems. Did EU have problem before the 14th? And JP didn't have that problem and still haven't cleared it first. So the point still stands. Information alone won't help clear BA (And don't get me wrong, I'm not sayin NA players are the best) they were the most organized of the three. And information + organization = easy BA clear.

It is also worth noting as someone who knows some of the people within the world first group, one of the major reasons why they organized so quickly to take down BA as soon as possible is that they saw this crap show coming from a mile away. They got their clear before the rest of the community caught up to them to cause problems in organizing. I personally witnessed the organization efforts whenever the group was in an instance I was in prior to their clear, everyone in the instance understood what they were attempting to do and got out of their way. At one point, I saw them gather around a fairy, and everyone waited until the whole group was present so they all could grab the fairy buff at once, instead of chasing the fairy randomly across the map because of staggered buffing. (That was also the point where we learned that the fairy can apparently only buff around 30 people at once in a single cast.)

I imagine most people that considered trying to muscle in on their efforts either weren't level 60 yet and thus couldn't even participate if they wanted to, or knew there was a high possibility of screwing up (in a raid with no guides existing at that point in time) and having it recorded on a stream that was being watched worldwide.

Also, IIRC EU wasn't even in the race because they had DF/connection problems all throughout that first week of release.

Come to think of it, I think it would help tremendously if all NMs in Hydatos gave a low amount of Eurekan Fragments upon reaching elemental level 60 as well. That way, 'frag runs' wouldn't really be a thing anymore, which would mean that all BA runs thereafter are either going to be learning/prog or clear runs, and people would more actively spawn NMs on the east side of the map. I imagine this would also free up more instances for public runs. Of course, whether people will actually organize for public runs instead of hoping to sneak into discord runs on purpose is another thing entirely.