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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyce View Post
    Finally,Look who's speaking. You've done nothing but belittling people's opinion, brushing off their comments and be borderline insulting simply because it didn't align with your views in the last few pages. Others even pointed at the irony of it.
    Don't ask people to be interacting in a civil manner if all you can do is have such a dismissive behavior.

    Like it or not, there are objective and legitimate reasons for people to be worried. Nothing you can say will change that.

    (Edit: Oh and, before you tell me that I'm dismissive of your opinion... You'd be right, I dismiss it. However, not because I disagree with you, which is what you did, but simply because it's objectively useless. You are not Square Enix. And we want an answer from them, not from you or anyone else.)
    If you were paying attention towards the conversation between Watershield and I, as well as Feyt, you'd actually notice that it was civilized and an exchange of views. There was nothing belittling about it, but you only want to see what you wish to see as long as it aligns with your own due to misguided anger. What you're doing now is also counterproductive and doing EXACTLY what you lecture others on about.

    Don't try to take the higher moral ground if you're just going to do EXACTLY what you don't like others doing to yourself apparently. It's not hard to act civilized and telling others to calm down or that you don't agree with their stance isn't belittling. No one ever said that you weren't important and too many people are swinging that word around like candy. Disagreements happen since not everyone is going to accept the same thing. You're just quick to anger because you feel that no one is taking your fears seriously and you'd be right in that sense. Some people aren't because we've been following the previous vague rules for years and nothing happened to us. I've played XIV for 7 years, nothing has happened in those 7 years, and I'm pretty sure nothing is going to happen for the next several years. Some of us don't have to take your fears seriously because we feel there's not enough substantial evidence to back up that overly alarmed behavior. I know change scares a lot of people and some are resilient towards it, but at some point, you're going to have to accept it because you can't control how things are changed nor is anyone in a position to fix it themselves.

    And, if you can't accept other people having differing points of views in a civilized manner or them telling you to calm down your behavior because those other people find it to be hostile or exaggerating the issue without going on a hypocritical tangent where you're belittling and dismissing other people's opinions outright completely, not because you don't agree with them, but because you think they're useless; then, yes, I think you have a lot to worry about how you may come across in accordance with the new rules if this is the way you act in-game towards other people that may not share the same voice that you do because they're not SE. Two wrongs don't make a right. There's nothing wrong with dismissing an opinion that you don't agree with, that's fine so long as you're not saying so because they're stupid or something as that would never be acceptable, but calling it objectively useless because it's not what you want to hear is flat-out childish behavior and that is actually belittling because you're devaluing it and the person instead of simply saying "I just don't agree with it". There's nothing belittling about a person not agreeing with what you think or say; they simply just don't agree with you, that's it. I think I would have preferred you just dismissing it because you don't agree with it honestly, since I can't force you to see the other side and sometimes, you can't just convince people, it happens. There's no ideal or perfect world where we agree on everything and we shouldn't expect one honestly, it's not how ideas or debate happens where new perspectives are made.

    If you wanted an answer from SE, then perhaps you should send them an in-game help message directly to the GM's instead of relying on the forums where you'll get complete strangers answering you first before they will. You may be waiting a long time for that.

    And on another off-note, you constantly putting "nice people" inside of quotation marks makes me questionably think that you have issues with actually being nice inside the game. No one who's actually nice would use the term this way unless they have some kind of behavior to hide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra View Post
    If you were paying attention towards the conversation between Watershield and I, as well as Feyt, you'd actually notice that it was civilized and an exchange of views. There was nothing belittling about it, but you only want to see what you wish to see as long as it aligns with your own due to misguided anger. What you're doing now is also counterproductive and doing EXACTLY what you lecture others on about.

    Don't try to take the higher moral ground if you're just going to do EXACTLY what you don't like others doing to yourself apparently. It's not hard to act civilized and telling others to calm down or that you don't agree with their stance isn't belittling. No one ever said that you weren't important and too many people are swinging that word around like candy. Disagreements happen since not everyone is going to accept the same thing. You're just quick to anger because you feel that no one is taking your fears seriously and you'd be right in that sense. Some people aren't because we've been following the previous vague rules for years and nothing happened to us. I've played XIV for 7 years, nothing has happened in those 7 years, and I'm pretty sure nothing is going to happen for the next several years. Some of us don't have to take your fears seriously because we feel there's not enough substantial evidence to back up that overly alarmed behavior. I know change scares a lot of people and some are resilient towards it, but at some point, you're going to have to accept it because you can't control how things are changed nor is anyone in a position to fix it themselves.

    And, if you can't accept other people having differing points of views in a civilized manner or them telling you to calm down your behavior because those other people find it to be hostile or exaggerating the issue without going on a hypocritical tangent where you're belittling and dismissing other people's opinions outright completely, not because you don't agree with them, but because you think they're useless; then, yes, I think you have a lot to worry about how you may come across in accordance with the new rules if this is the way you act in-game towards other people that may not share the same voice that you do because they're not SE. Two wrongs don't make a right. There's nothing wrong with dismissing an opinion that you don't agree with, that's fine so long as you're not saying so because they're stupid or something as that would never be acceptable, but calling it objectively useless because it's not what you want to hear is flat-out childish behavior and that is actually belittling because you're devaluing it and the person instead of simply saying "I just don't agree with it". There's nothing belittling about a person not agreeing with what you think or say; they simply just don't agree with you, that's it. I think I would have preferred you just dismissing it because you don't agree with it honestly, since I can't force you to see the other side and sometimes, you can't just convince people, it happens. There's no ideal or perfect world where we agree on everything and we shouldn't expect one honestly, it's not how ideas or debate happens where new perspectives are made.

    If you wanted an answer from SE, then perhaps you should send them an in-game help message directly to the GM's instead of relying on the forums where you'll get complete strangers answering you first before they will. You may be waiting a long time for that.
    Welcome back ^.^

    The only thing I wanted to bring up is " you're going to have to accept it because you can't control how things are changed nor is anyone in a position to fix it themselves.". I can do something about it. Ending my sub. I am actually considering that after seeing how these changes pan out.

    The worst thing that could possibly come of these changes is people leaving because they don't like them. Whether or not it could reach catastrophic levels is unknown, and unlikely. I imagine most people won't even read them. Regardless, I personally don't agree with these rules for the reasons I have stated previously.

    Also, I'm completely done with this conversation at this point. It has become abundantly clear that this will not come to a resolution and will only foster further resentment.

    This seems to be following the overarching break down of society that I have been witnessing over the past several years.

    Fare thee well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WaterShield View Post
    Welcome back ^.^

    The only thing I wanted to bring up is " you're going to have to accept it because you can't control how things are changed nor is anyone in a position to fix it themselves.". I can do something about it. Ending my sub. I am actually considering that after seeing how these changes pan out.

    The worst thing that could possibly come of these changes is people leaving because they don't like them. Whether or not it could reach catastrophic levels is unknown, and unlikely. I imagine most people won't even read them. Regardless, I personally don't agree with these rules for the reasons I have stated previously.

    Also, I'm completely done with this conversation at this point. It has become abundantly clear that this will not come to a resolution and will only foster further resentment.

    This seems to be following the overarching break down of society that I have been witnessing over the past several years.

    Fare thee well.
    I'd honestly say that I disagree with you going that far in ending your sub towards, what I can only surmise is a hobby that you enjoy, over a few rule changes. I kind of see that as taking steps towards the level of extremity for something I'd consider to be rather trivial. But, you have that right to do so if that's what you really want whether I think it's kind of foolish or not.

    It's just an observation of mine, but take it as you will, it just seems like people are reacting way more sensitive towards the new ToS revision than they need to be doing. You seem like a nice person, so, it's a shame that you're going as far as you are.
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