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    Quote Originally Posted by Shippuu View Post
    It's super interesting you list Classes and Balance in there, considering they're doing the exact same thing with classes that they'd do for Hrothgar currently There was no build up in game to Gunbreaker, nor has there even been any t-shirt hints or anything at to what the next class coming in March is. And Balance? We won't get any information on that until May, just a month before release like we have with every other expansion so far. So, you basically defeated your own argument.
    Oh please, there were hints that a gunblade tank was coming. Specifically we had a gunblade-wielder tank a duty for us in the Burn in Patch 4.3 some 8-9 months ago and when that happened a bunch of people immediately figured out that was a hint at a gunblade tank class was going to be introduced. Much like how Yugiri and Thancred's fight with the Sahagin showcased Rouge/Ninja in patch 2.2 prior to its introduction in 2.4. Or how Alisaie showcased the Red Mage in her fight with the Warriors of Darkness in 4.4. Or Gotetsu showcased the Samurai in patch 4.5.....
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    I mean. Gaius has been in the game since 2.0. And his gunblade is garlean which is obvs different from what thancred is using. And that still doesn't give us anything about dancer. I agree with the overall premise that having no info on Hrothgar is not indicative of them not coming, as it could still be a surprise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cicatriz313 View Post
    I mean. Gaius has been in the game since 2.0. And his gunblade is garlean which is obvs different from what thancred is using. And that still doesn't give us anything about dancer. I agree with the overall premise that having no info on Hrothgar is not indicative of them not coming, as it could still be a surprise.
    Gaius has actually been in the game since 1.0. Not that it actually makes much difference to the point that he was showcasing a gunblade tank job in 4.3. After all, Alisaie has been in the game since 2.0 and her weapon is different model from the one X'Rhun Tia, the Red Mage trainer, uses. Neither of which made changes the fact she showcased Red Mage in the fight with the Warriors of Darkness.
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    That's right. Forgot about back then. In what way was he a gunblade tank job. He had a gunblade which he has had the entire time. If your point was valid the fight with gaius in praetorium would be foreshadowing us getting gunblade soon. He uses the same if not very similar moves in both situations. And again. No dancer.
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    Random question.

    Is the plural for Viera the same as the singular? (“Look at all of those Viera!”)
    Or is it “Vieras”? (“That’s a lot of Vieras...”)


    eugh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredco191 View Post
    Is the plural for Viera the same as the singular? (“Look at all of those Viera!”)
    Or is it “Vieras”? (“That’s a lot of Vieras...”)


    eugh.
    I believe it's Viera, my favorite quote from Jote says "Viera who have forsaken the Wood are Viera no longer!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karl0217 View Post
    Oh please, there were hints that a gunblade tank was coming. Specifically we had a gunblade-wielder tank a duty for us in the Burn in Patch 4.3 some 8-9 months ago and when that happened a bunch of people immediately figured out that was a hint at a gunblade tank class was going to be introduced. Much like how Yugiri and Thancred's fight with the Sahagin showcased Rouge/Ninja in patch 2.2 prior to its introduction in 2.4. Or how Alisaie showcased the Red Mage in her fight with the Warriors of Darkness in 4.4. Or Gotetsu showcased the Samurai in patch 4.5.....
    Gaius in that RP duty being a hint is a pretty big stretch. He showed up using animations and move's he used back in 2.0, the same animations and moves that Regula, Nero, and Fordola have also used. He's no more a hint than he was back in 2.0. We've seen all of those moves and animations for years now. Especially seeing how Gunbreaker clearly isn't based off of Garlean gunblades and has what seems to be little to do with them outside of both their weapons being called gunblades. So if that was the hint, he's been a hint since 2.0

    But hey, if we want to do reaches for hints, we know we are likely to venture into Ilsabard at some point in our journeys, an area we know little about but it's where Garlemalde is so we will likely inevitably go there. We know the northern parts of Ilsabard are harsh lands with brutal winters and Hrothgar is an Anglo-Saxon name and so would likely be fitting to have a similar culture in parts of Ilsabard backed up by the lore. And we know Hrothgar were described as having "majestic manes".

    Hmm, let's take a look at the map:


    Wow...that mysterious figure sure does look like he has one very long and majestic mane...couldn't possibly be a hint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shippuu View Post
    Gaius in that RP duty being a hint is a pretty big stretch.
    I would argue that it takes some real special logic to say the presence of a gunblade tank in duty with us some eight months prior to a gunblade tank class's official unveiling wasn't a hint as to the class's existence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shippuu View Post
    He showed up using animations and move's he used back in 2.0, the same animations and moves that Regula, Nero, and Fordola have also used. He's no more a hint than he was back in 2.0. We've seen all of those moves and animations for years now. Especially seeing how Gunbreaker clearly isn't based off of Garlean gunblades and has what seems to be little to do with them outside of both their weapons being called gunblades. So if that was the hint, he's been a hint since 2.0
    Interesting critique coming from a guy who bases half his entire argument against the inclusion of male Viera on interview made in the 2.0 era six years ago. After all, if you think that Yoshida can tease his long term plans for the Viera six years ago you should have no problem thinking he can also tease a class he wants to include for that long also.

    ....

    Oh wait a minute, that reminds me. Weren't you the one arguing that Yoshida teased his long-term plans for BLU years before it was implemented in some previous posts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karl0217 View Post
    I would argue that it takes some real special logic to say the presence of a gunblade tank in duty with us some eight months prior to a gunblade tank class's official unveiling wasn't a hint as to the class's existence.

    Interesting critique coming from a guy who bases half his entire argument against the inclusion of male Viera on interview made in the 2.0 era six years ago. After all, if you think that Yoshida can tease his long term plans for the Viera six years ago you should have no problem thinking he can also tease a class he wants to include for that long also.
    I said it was a stretch, not that it definitively wasn't the case. I'm of the opinion it was more likely coincidence instead of a deliberate attempt to tease a job, because as a job tease it's a pretty bad one considering he used moves and animations he and every other garlean who has a gunblade uses, so he showed us absolutelty nothing that we havent already seen before, unlike the other past job teases that have always showed something new. Of course, there also was no in game tease for Dark Knight or Machinist, nor technically Astrologian as the astrologians we had encountered weren't even the same thing we got. So they don't have the best track record for always teasing future jobs.

    But hey man, not my fault you don't like what Yoshida said even if it was long ago, he stuck true on how he would do blue mage for close to the same amount of time and that was also an unpopular decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shippuu View Post
    I said it was a stretch, not that it definitively wasn't the case. I'm of the opinion it was more likely coincidence instead of a deliberate attempt to tease a job
    So you really believe the developers deciding to include a gunblade tank in a solo-duty with us is while they are working on designing and coding a gunblade tank is merely coincidence? Or are you merely trying save face after having run your mouth saying a gunblade tank wasn't hinted at?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shippuu View Post
    But hey man, not my fault you don't like what Yoshida said even if it was long ago, he stuck true on how he would do blue mage for close to the same amount of time and that was also an unpopular decision.
    Oh please, your track record when it comes to predictions as to what developers will do is somewhat lack-luster. See when I was doing a search for your posts on the BLU class I stumbled onto a bunch of old posts by you concerning Samurai and how according to you it could be nothing but a tank. Many of them have not aged well at all. For example in response to this post

    Quote Originally Posted by ErikMynhier View Post
    STR - DRG, MNK, SAM
    VIT - PLD, WAR, DRK
    DEX - BRD, MCH, NIN
    INT - BLM, SMN, RDM
    MND - WHM, SCH, AST

    And so with 2 dps, balance is restored.
    You replied

    Quote Originally Posted by Shippuu View Post
    Balance in one category, but unbalancing in another.

    tanks, healers, and dps are close to their ideal ratio of 1:1:2, the same as light party compositions. 3 tanks, 3 healers, 7 dps. Adding 2 new dps jobs unbalances this ratio, making it a 1:1:3 ratio.

    Thus, adding 1 tank, 1 healer, and 1 dps actually makes it a true 1:1:2 ratio, thus balance is restored. See? I can do it too.
    Tell me something did you ever apologize to ErikMynhier for mocking him even though he was correct in his prediction as to what the devs were going for and you were completely wrong in your counter-arguments?
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