Gender locked race?

[Taykawai]

I don't like gender-locking races in principle. I can understand why it would be enough to drive someone to unsub.

Put me on the boat of "gender locking race = unsub". Breaking the possibility of player identity is a big nope for me.

[Shougun]

Put me on the boat of "gender locking race = unsub". Breaking the possibility of player identity is a big nope for me.

Out of curiosity would you stay subbed or resub if it was either mentioned to be added later or was?

Lets say your worst case scenario they make two genderlocked races giving whatever reason they give, if it was said to be happening later or did happen later = continue sub/resub?

[Taykawai]

Out of curiosity would you stay subbed or resub if it was either mentioned to be added later or was?

Lets say your worst case scenario they make two genderlocked races giving whatever reason they give, if it was said to be happening later or did happen later = continue sub/resub?

Absolutly. But if they chose to remain silent after the revel of gender locked races it's a bye bye. It's not a matter if you care or care not about playing male viera or other race, to me its about constrain player options and further limit in game freedom. I can choose my name, i can choose my class, why can't i choose my gender?

[Shougun]

Absolutly. But if they chose to remain silent after the revel of gender locked races it's a bye bye. It's not a matter if you care or care not about playing male viera or other race, to me its about constrain player options and further limit in game freedom. I can chose my name, i can chose my class, why can't i chose my gender?

, was interested - thanks for answering~

I am not a huge fan of gender lock.. It could be sold to me but it'd have to be sold well.. For example if I brought up a race with a virus that's destroying all the females of the population, THEN I also said I'm going to let you play that race. Would make sense you don't get to play the gender that's going to die in a month or less XD. Or another example I'd accept is the Asari from Mass Effect, where they don't really have a male gender and just sort of mesh with the others. Alternatively maybe I'd think about making a genderless race, but even if they had a type (generally male like or female like) I'd probably work on adding some androgynous options then like a Kuja or Zidane from FFIX (especially Kuja lol).

The problem for me is Viera wasn't introduced in an order that really gets me lining up with the above sort of logic. It helps for me that I started with zero interest to be male Viera so its not a huge loss to me personally as a FFXIV player but I can emulate the idea of being upset if I had interest in it (and the annoyance if it was locked when there doesn't seem to be a good reason anywhere why).

IF they do lock it I imagine it will have to do with jump rope budget and trying to get a leaking WoW ship, or budget jump rope with indecision on two races the team really loves (not great to be so split as a team but I can see it happening), or that one or both devs have some REALLY strong opinons on male Viera XD. Jump rope budget I just made up but = you've got so much resources and you can't do all the things lol.

If it's just jump rope budget then I feel fairly confident they'll be unlocked in the future. I get why some people might feel "passed up" if SE was trying to get a part of the market of a leaking ship that they might not have interested enough before (those who play undead, troll, tauren, draenai, etc) but at the same time I can see from a business perspective trying to weigh out new blood old blood and maximizing both. If I was playing that game, which I am not qualified to play (arm chair comments here lol), I'd be sure to let people know male Viera will be coming and the feedback on how they wanted it to appear will be accounted for.

Now if the reason is strong opinions against (say the creator Matsuno or Yoshi-P put their foot down).. well then.. .... just well.. lol.

Alternatively the lion-like leak race is a lie and you get both genders of Viera and thats it, or we get two full races with both genders. It's still possible, although seems very "no..no way.. no really? wow?!! 1!!" haha.

[Alleo]

I think gender locks are silly. I've said as much throughout this thread. Yet as long as there's an equivalent it's not nearly as damning as some are making it out to be.

I am just curious but would you say the same if one gender locked race would be a beastly awesome female without the male part and the male being a small cute race? Because I do get the feeling that you might be more fine with this because the other mentioned race could be something you like more than a male viera, but maybe I see that wrong.

Anyway, I really hope that they dont decide to gender lock Viera, especially since that could mean that the first more beastly race is again just male..which sadly would go hand in hand with the game where most female enemies are good looking, while a lot of male ones are more beastly..

I really hope we will get both races, that would finally create some hype for me..

[Lauront]

I think the case with XIV is a bit different. There is no main character to sell - primarily Derplander acts as the "main character" and I think we can all agree that for the most part, midlander hyur males are "pretty boys".

As of late, he's a very rugged pretty boy.

[Lauront]

Anyway, I really hope that they dont decide to gender lock Viera, especially since that could mean that the first more beastly race is again just male..which sadly would go hand in hand with the game where most female enemies are good looking, while a lot of male ones are more beastly...

Male miqo'te, midlanders, elezen and au ra are all good looking. Although the latter do verge on being a bit more beastly, their faces are still very well proportioned and their bodies not overly bulky. Then there's cutesy lalafell. Really, the only race with bestial proportions is roegadyn.

Personally, I hope they stick with facial features like Byakko's for these Hrothgar.

[BillyKaplan]

Male miqo'te, midlanders, elezen and au ra are all good looking. Although the latter do verge on being a bit more beastly, their faces are still very well proportioned and their bodies not overly bulky. Then there's cutesy lalafell. Really, the only race with bestial proportions is roegadyn.

Note that Alleo talked about enemies.
Ifrit, Titan, Levi. They're all either animals or ... whatever Titan's supposed to be.
Then you have Shiva and Garuda and Lakshmi. You can call lore elements all you want but the fact remains you're not going to find a completely deformed female enemy because they want them to still be waifu material.
Speaking of Waifu, there's Pazuzu, and Waifuzuzu - Penny. Pazuzu's a flying piece of armor while Penny is a lovely, elegant, attractive humanoid lady with wings.
And you can say what you want about male Au Ra, but they came along with some grade A+ Waifu material with fem Au Ra. That's the issue here. And it's so prevalent that the "fierce, amazonian" Viera were shown in the reveal trailer to be all cutesy and giggly.

[Alleo]

Male miqo'te, midlanders, elezen and au ra are all good looking. Although the latter do verge on being a bit more beastly, their faces are still very well proportioned and their bodies not overly bulky. Then there's cutesy lalafell. Really, the only race with bestial proportions is roegadyn.

Personally, I hope they stick with facial features like Byakko's for these Hrothgar.

I meant it more in the way that we have more beastly looking males (be it as enemies or as races) than female ones and having only female Vieras and a more beastly male race would just go into that very direction which would be sad for me because I wish I could play a more beastly women without having to go Roe. (I mean that is the only female race right now that can compete with the not-so-cute races and yet they are still nothing against their male version)

Just look at Sophia and Lakshimi and compare them to Byakko, Zurvan and most other male bosses. Heck our snake boy is the only one that is more pretty than beastly. (As far as I can remember)

Note that Alleo talked about enemies.

And you can say what you want about male Au Ra, but they came along with some grade A+ Waifu material with fem Au Ra. That's the issue here. And it's so prevalent that the "fierce, amazonian" Viera were shown in the reveal trailer to be all cutesy and giggly.

Yeah I talked mostly about enemies. Also you are right about the female Vieras, they may look much more sexy but still they showed them as quite cute and on top of that I saw at least one female Au Ra emote. Holding her arm with her other hand like that just dont look fierce at all...

[Lauront]

Note that Alleo talked about enemies.
Ifrit, Titan, Levi. They're all either animals or ... whatever Titan's supposed to be.
Then you have Shiva and Garuda and Lakshmi. You can call lore elements all you want but the fact remains you're not going to find a completely deformed female enemy because they want them to still be waifu material.
Speaking of Waifu, there's Pazuzu, and Waifuzuzu - Penny. Pazuzu's a flying piece of armor while Penny is a lovely, elegant, attractive humanoid lady with wings.
And you can say what you want about male Au Ra, but they came along with some grade A+ Waifu material with fem Au Ra. That's the issue here. And it's so prevalent that the "fierce, amazonian" Viera were shown in the reveal trailer to be all cutesy and giggly.

I'm much less bothered about what the enemies look like. Technically, we know from some cases you can't even tell the gender, e.g. Ixal, Goblins, Amaljaa etc. It's more that the foes with ostensibly female features tend to be pretty. Still, there's plenty of things that could be female, but you wouldn't even know. And then things that look female, but aren't, like some Voidsent. Primals tend to be worshiped as gods, so I'm not surprised by the way their followers choose to represent them, in terms of their cultural ideals. Garuda is arguably beautiful but she is still considered to be the most ferocious of the earlier primals.

Regarding playable races, I was sorely disappointed with female au ra. One need not even have made them amazonian, just taller. However, I'd have also tried to link them to the dragonflights in some way and based their traits off that, with xaela being capable of sporting slightly more monstrous features and raen as they are (minus taller women), so my thoughts on them are already a bit divergent to where most people's are. I still dislike the females. I'm not all too surprised about the Viera, considering what I think they're being used to do, but yes they are very, very effeminate. At least they didn't make them tiny.

I meant it more in the way that we have more beastly looking males (be it as enemies or as races) than female ones and having only female Vieras and a more beastly male race would just go into that very direction which would be sad for me because I wish I could play a more beastly women without having to go Roe. (I mean that is the only female race right now that can compete with the not-so-cute races and yet they are still nothing against their male version)

I certainly understand that, but what of highlander females? Yes, they're not super bulky or butch but they're less cutesy than any other female pick and they're still pretty. I get the impression that some people just want reverse dimorphism, because I struggle to see how roe or highlander females can't be played as amazonian. Or is there some other issue with them? Maybe I'm missing what is meant by "beastly" here.

Just look at Sophia and Lakshimi and compare them to Byakko, Zurvan and most other male bosses. Heck our snake boy is the only one that is more pretty than beastly. (As far as I can remember)

I mean Zurvan and Byakko both have handsome faces, but they're muscular. Muscularity is a trait that is perceived to be attractive on males, mostly for evolutionary reasons. Not necessarily to extremes, and yes Zurvan has a scorpion body (much like Lamias have snake bodies), and I'll agree that the balance is definitely more in favour of the women being beautiful, but I can't say it bothers me that much. As I said, there's plenty of females out there that we simply can't tell are females. I'm sure Sorceress Adel will make a cameo at some point, though.

I must be alone in not finding Seiryu particularly attractive.