Regarding the Revision of the Prohibited Activities and Account Penalty Policy

[WaterShield]

Sure but do you approach them and say 'lmao you look like a f*** noob, git gud'. I sure hope not. Will any 'reasonable' person find a Hello, and casual conversation offensive? Probably not. So what's the issue?

Just yesterday I had a tank that kept harassing a smn because they we dying a lot in Orbonne. They died so many times he started calling him a hoe, a leech, a stupid f** idiot. Began to spam /slap him at every death. I simply said 'It's fine, just follow the party, and put the markers in the far back.' He died maybe once after that. So heres is a clear example of something I hope any reasonable person would find offensive. Did I report him? No. If the smn wants to he free to do so. And the chat will back him up.

I don't know because who are we using as an example of a reasonable person? This is not clear enough. All I know is a bunch of people just got carte blanche to ban people because they don't like them with very little to reassure me that it won't be abused.

Also if it seems like I'm panicking... that's because I am. This is actually deeply upsetting to me. It's sad that I even feel the need to communicate that. All I'm getting back is a bunch of empty platitudes. What I would like is reassurance from Square Enix that there will be oversight, clarification, and / or an appeals process. That is all I want. I've sunk too much time into this account for it to all disappear because someone decides they don't like me and to sic GM's on me instead of talk about it. The vagueness of the rules leaves them exposed to being weaponized in that way.

[HyoMinPark]

I don't think it's appropriate to tell DPS to AOE, healers not to stand around, or tanks to use more cool downs. That is compelling people to play a certain way.

And I don’t think it’s appropriate for them to refuse to actively contribute. It’s not offensive to tell someone to please AOE, especially if it’s a majority rule. In high-end content, it’s not offensive to tell a healer to contribute to DPS instead of standing around waiting for damage to occur and doing nothing. It’s also not offensive to tell a tank to please use cooldowns.

[Freyt]

No, you wouldn't be susceptible because you DID NOT DO ANYTHING WRONG. Dude, listen. This isn't the media, and the GMs aren't SJWs out to protect every safe spacing idiot who plays this game. I know terms like 'emotional distress' brings about these kind of concerns, but the ambiguity is to keep everyone aware. When you draw a clearly distinguishable line, then people know how far they can go before they cross it.

It is easy tell everyone's over reactions because no one is even talking about the multiple warnings that are issued, and suggested corrective actions before you even face a 3 day suspension. It's just, "Player didn't like my playstyle, so now I'm going to get banned?" Can't you see how over the top that is? Seriously take a deep breath and just chill.

I mean that's just your opinion, right? Do you have any further information that I haven't been made aware of? A nice distinguished line would really help to make your case here. I could see what kinds of behavior I'm not supposed to venture into, but it's so hard to tell right now.

Of course I mentioned penalties rather than bans. Those penalties will eventually add up to bans, however. Am I emotionally distressing you at the moment? I'm sorry if I am.

[Anger]

And I don’t think it’s appropriate for them to refuse to actively contribute. It’s not offensive to tell someone to please AOE, especially if it’s a majority rule. In high-end content, it’s not offensive to tell a healer to contribute to DPS instead of standing around waiting for damage to occur and doing nothing. It’s also not offensive to tell a tank to please use cooldowns.

It's offensive to me.

[Anselmet]

Speak for yourself. The amount of trolling and asshattery in-game has been increasing steadily in recent months. I'm sure some form of it is benign when compared to some real cesspool in WoW, but as the subs are picking up players from that game, we'll get the same crowd as well. This is just pre-emptive measures that will keep the community from devolving further, a lesson learned from Blizzard's initial hands-off approach that caused problems which lead to their decreased subscription.

That is not even what I was saying. The dude above was claiming that unless we want to break the rules then we have nothing to fear. My reply simply meant that no one in this thread is advocating to be able to break the rules and be toxic.

And this base is not that toxic it has roughly remained the same (id actually argue that HW was slightly more toxic and its actually marginally better). I have no idea why anyone thinks that ffxiv is becoming more toxic due growth in wow population. This game has been taking wow refugees in for YEARS and it has been growing for YEARS. I have been running by myself in pf/df for five years. Nothing has changed in behavior. And I run into truly foul people only once a month IF that.

[Aulainn]

It's offensive to me.

Ah, a great example of a person why these ToS are a bad idea.

[PharisHanasaki]

I don't know because who are we using as an example of a reasonable person?

I just find it funny at this point that you keep stressing out over something that could have already happen but hasn't. It hasn't happened, and probably won't. If we, as 'nice' players, get banned. Probably bunch of people not banned will stop playing too because of it. If we start to get banned en mass SQEX losses money. I do not find that reasonable. Do you?

[WaterShield]

I just find it funny at this point that you keep stressing out over something that could have already happen but hasn't. It hasn't happened, and probably won't. If we, as 'nice' players, get banned. Probably bunch of people not banned will stop playing too because of it. If we start to get banned en mass SQEX losses money. I do not find that reasonable. Do you?

I don't think it will happen in mass. But there are unacceptable odds that too many could slip through the cracks. I think it's too many if even one person is wrongfully banned.

[Anselmet]

I don't think it's appropriate to tell DPS to AOE, healers not to stand around, or tanks to use more cool downs. That is compelling people to play a certain way.

You know, seeing your posts makes me finally understand what type of person I was beginning to argue with gg. You ARE the overly sensitive demographic I do not want abusing these rules. If someone wants to actively help you improve then it is not offensive. I learned so much on how to dragoon and sch by randos but its people like you who will cut this knowledge off out of fear of being punished. I feel sorry for the up in coming players. Because unless they have a well rounded fc they may never know that they are not playing their classes optimally because someone on the internet thinks that criticism equals being rude.

[NanaWiloh]

Let this serve as example that what is offensive to one person is not offensive to another. Yes there are people who find this offensive should this guy Banned for his Glam choice!!! SE knows things like this will get reported so goes without saying they have a line drawn its just not specified. The change is aimed at things that are seen as offensive by most people, such as personal attacks and verbal abuse.

Before anyone ask no I ddint report him. I have no issue with how people choose to glam, find his glam rather amusing to be honest lol