New ToS gives hope for official DPS meters?

[AxlStream]

NicoNico? What happened?

Something about an official SE streamer getting harassed live for poor performance? Somebody else will probably reply with more details. I wasn't active when said event happened but I did hear of it, which speaks of it's impact on the parser stance of both SE and the community.

[Penthea]

Something about an official SE streamer getting harassed live for poor performance? Somebody else will probably reply with more details. I wasn't active when said event happened but I did hear of it, which speaks of it's impact on the parser stance of both SE and the community.

God that actually sounds awful

[Ilan]

Something about an official SE streamer getting harassed live for poor performance? Somebody else will probably reply with more details. I wasn't active when said event happened but I did hear of it, which speaks of it's impact on the parser stance of both SE and the community.

So basically a streamer got harrassed on a streaming plattform? Nothing new and honestly no reason to not allow parsers. Most streamers get targeted BECAUSE they are streaming and because some people feel cool if they can troll around in live streams.

[Penthea]

So basically a streamer got harrassed on a streaming plattform? Nothing new and honestly no reason to not allow parsers. Most streamers get targeted BECAUSE they are streaming and because some people feel cool if they can troll around in live streams.

Streaming is a form of publicity and what happened in that incident isn't good publicity at all no matter what way you look at it. That was not a shining moment for the FFXIV community. Far from it. No one wants their game to become known as a place where harassment incidents are given a public platform. Even Riot clamped down on bad behaviour in LoL because the bad reputation of the playerbase was not something they wanted.

And that streaming incident happened in Japan. A place where manners, humble demeanour and not shaking the boat is very important, even online. It would have been ten times worse in the west where people are far more vocal about the performance quality of others.

[AmemeAmeklin]

So basically a streamer got harrassed on a streaming plattform? Nothing new and honestly no reason to not allow parsers. Most streamers get targeted BECAUSE they are streaming and because some people feel cool if they can troll around in live streams.

After reading what happened I can safely say that this official SE streamer was not only harassed about parses and had the group trolling by spinning the boss around to set her up to fail so they could make fun of her (typical junk to us), she was evidently sexually harassed afterwards. So basically it was one of the worst cases of what can happen with parses being an excuse. JP players are generally very polite and can work together better than us troglodytes over in NA who are going through things like frequent mass shootings and political unrest, so just imagine what we'd do to each other if we had even the slightest excuse.

As a culture we will bully one another and tell our victims to stop being so sensitive, encourage each other to kill ourselves, stalk each other, threaten each other, troll, grief, etc, for 'fun'. Are we acting out due to what's going on in our country right now? Are we just socialized to treat each other like trash? Who knows. But the fact that you seem to dismiss something like 'being harassed on a streaming platform' as nothing just shows how desensitized we are to this behavior.

This kind of nasty socializing has been part of our gaming culture for quite some time (cough WoW cough), but it's clear SE doesn't want that kind of thing to happen. Everyone should have a chance to enjoy the game. You should not have to deal with people harassing you, stalking you, bullying you, when you're just trying to have fun.

[Ilan]

Streaming is a form of publicity and what happened in that incident isn't good publicity at all no matter what way you look at it. That was not a shining moment for the FFXIV community. Far from it. No one wants their game to become known as a place where harassment incidents are given a public platform. Even Riot clamped down on bad behaviour in LoL because the bad reputation of the playerbase was not something they wanted.

And that streaming incident happened in Japan. A place where manners, humble demeanour and not shaking the boat is very important, even online. It would have been ten times worse in the west where people are far more vocal about the performance quality of others.

It is never a shining moment for any community when anyone gets harrassed and i never said its ok but to take this as a excuse for not allowing parsers would be unreasonable. I know that riot is officially trying to clamp that down but they are still only scratching at the tip of the iceberg and they are not really doing that much when it comes to behaviour in their game, but lets stop here because we are not talking about LoL.

Japanese people are more polite in the open but you can bet that they are as nasty as everyone else when they talk behind someones back.

After reading what happened I can safely say that this official SE streamer was not only harassed about parses and had the group trolling by spinning the boss around to set her up to fail so they could make fun of her (typical junk to us), she was evidently sexually harassed afterwards. So basically it was one of the worst cases of what can happen with parses being an excuse. JP players are generally very polite and can work together better than us troglodytes over in NA who are going through things like frequent mass shootings and political unrest, so just imagine what we'd do to each other if we had even the slightest excuse.

As a culture we will bully one another and tell our victims to stop being so sensitive, encourage each other to kill ourselves, stalk each other, threaten each other, troll, grief, etc, for 'fun'. Are we acting out due to what's going on in our country right now? Are we just socialized to treat each other like trash? Who knows. But the fact that you seem to dismiss something like 'being harassed on a streaming platform' as nothing just shows how desensitized we are to this behavior.

This kind of nasty socializing has been part of our gaming culture for quite some time (cough WoW cough), but it's clear SE doesn't want that kind of thing to happen. Everyone should have a chance to enjoy the game. You should not have to deal with people harassing you, stalking you, bullying you, when you're just trying to have fun.

Your first paragraph sounds like the typical behaviour of the gaming community torwards female gamers which is a pretty idiotic behaviour.

I know you all think that japanese people are always polite and stuff but you saw that they are not and if they are they are most likely only polite when they talk to you directly. You won't know what they are talking behind someones back but you can get a good guess after what happened to this streamer.

But both quoted posts just showed that it is what i wrote: a streamer got harrassed while streaming because some people are idiots. The fact that the streamer is a female and that it was the oh so polite japanese com doesn't really change a thing. Some people are dicks not matter where they live, no matter of their gender and no matter what they play.

[Seddrinth]

So basically a streamer got harrassed on a streaming plattform? Nothing new and honestly no reason to not allow parsers. Most streamers get targeted BECAUSE they are streaming and because some people feel cool if they can troll around in live streams.

I know right? So a streamer got harassed that's more reason to ban parsing? Then why don't SE ban streaming as well?