Ishgard the most messed up area?

[Edax]

Hell no, Lord of the ring, is really better, and built his myth and background on very very large period, also i never saw Gondor or Rohan as a remake of middle age in europe, but a merge of many inspiration and cultur with a very strong identity. Tell me is there archi bishop in gondor? Do you see any crusade or inquisitor stuff in lord of the ring? Is gandalf look like Merlin?
No no no and no.
So dont compare two tales who has definitely not the same level of writting and deep.

For what i saw from Ishgard and only on basic game that i finish the story : Ishgard has no use, no interest, and his inspiration too much close from england and france make it very common and déjà vu. Ishgard is just useless, has no major role, and has less identity than other kingdom in the game.
Else we have the right to phrase criticisme, i gave some argument no? SO accept it or let this topic away, we can not be agree always, but still i have right to spell what is wrong for me.

Perhaps you did not understand J. R. R. Tolkien very well. He absolutely pulled from history to build his world. Tolkien referred to Minas Tirith (Gondor) as a "Byzantine City", meaning the Eastern Roman Empire.

Rohan


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For what i saw from Ishgard and only on basic game that i finish the story : Ishgard has no use, no interest, and his inspiration too much close from england and france make it very common and déjà vu. Ishgard is just useless, has no major role, and has less identity than other kingdom in the game.
Else we have the right to phrase criticisme, i gave some argument no? SO accept it or let this topic away, we can not be agree always, but still i have right to spell what is wrong for me.

You are correct, before you enter Ishgard and learn about it's people, it has no major role in the story. Perhaps you should experience the story before criticizing that the story hasn't happened yet.

Stomach is not where the thickest part of armor should be and kitchen knife is better against armored opponents than a sword is. In real life there is no such thing as damage numbers so a kitchen knife is as much a one-hit-kill of a weapon as a sword, gun or cannon. If it hits the vitals, that is.

And stomach not only is not one of the critical vitals (you can die rather easily from being pierced in certain depth and parts of it, but not all), but it also requires more mobility than the rest of the body. A thick armor on the stomach means you cannot move. Like, literally. Heavy jousting armors were stiff on the stomach, and the knights couldn't even get up on their own once they fell off the horse (onto which they couldn't get without help either).
If you'll look at this armor, you'll notice that around the area that Aymeric was pierced the armor is actually divided into the top and bottom, with the bottom being a sort of plate skirt. If you have the opportunity to stick something between the bottom and top, you can very much hurt the person.
Of course...if your weapon can pierce the chain mail that is traditionally worn under plate armor, but we don't know whether Aymeric wears it too.

Ultimately a kitchen knife is better to deal with a heavily armored enemy than a sword...but in reality...you're not likely to kill anyone with either. Attacking around the neck where it's easiest to slide past the multiple layers of armor is your best bet...or just use blunt weapon. So if we accept suspension of belief as for why arrows can kill heavily armored enemies...a dagger is the least problem here.

Armor is "suppose" to protect the vital organs above all else. However, I can't actually tell what material Aymeric's armor is made of protecting his torso, could be cloth for all I know. That's the problem with "fantasy" armor. I'd also saw a kitchen knife would be really bad at penetrating armor, you'd be better off with a letter opener cause at least it's thin and can punch through chainmail. A kitchen knife is wide and wont get through the rings and it'll just bounce off plate.

Not to mention the most obvious references: Just about all the military ranks in the Garlean forces have names copied from the Roman army. Add in things like "Castrum Centri" which is simply Latin for "Central Fortress", and the inspiration from the Roman Empire becomes hard to miss.

I agree they borrow Rome's military naming system, but not much else since they don't act terribly Roman. You could do the same thing and have the "Empire" act like Canadians, while giving them roman titles, but they wont be an analog for the Roman Empire anymore. One of the key drivers of Roman expansion was money, and the Garleans have shown they don't really care about that given how they didn't milk Doma or Ala Mhigo for their resources. They just took away their farming tools (tools that the tech advanced Garleans don't need) just to be evil.

[kikix12]

Armor is "suppose" to protect the vital organs above all else.

Yes. But there are several locations around the stomach where attacks are not likely to be lethal (other than from bleeding out), or at least can be treated (and this also applies to fantasy medieval times, at the very least). Because of that, in tandem with the stomach absolutely needing to have freedom of movement of a certain degree, the armor actually does not protect it as well (hence the gaps and the open bottom of the "dress", despite there being some more armor underneath, yes).

For similar reasons (freedom of movement) neck, a very vital area that can lead to very fast death from even reasonably small damage, was not as well protected as chest or head. Because it is imperative for the head to be able to move, there were gaps in the plate armor in the area of the base of the neck where people actually very often attacked. You saw ever in a movie swordsmen holding their own swords blade leaving only a small tip with which they attacked?! Yeah, that's the way people used swords to aim for the gaps in plates, mainly for the neck area.

I'd also saw a kitchen knife would be really bad at penetrating armor, you'd be better off with a letter opener cause at least it's thin and can punch through chainmail. A kitchen knife is wide and wont get through the rings and it'll just bounce off plate.

Yeah. Except I'm not sure why you wrote all of this since it's the same thing as I did. Except instead of comparing sword to a kitchen knife (a larger blade to a smaller blade), you're comparing kitchen knife to a letter opener (again, larger blade to smaller blade). We could go further down and say that you'll have a better luck with awl than with a letter opener cause awl is even thinner and longer. But what's the point?!

If you believe that a sword can pierce armor in a stomach, you should believe a kitchen knife (which is thinner), a letter opener (even thinner) and awl to do the same. In reality only awl out of these would have much of a chance against well-taken care of plate armor due to the chain-mail under it stopping the rest. Swords were better used as clubs against heavily armored weapons, using their hilts to cause concussion. Because in reality metal armor does make one almost impervious to slashing and many kinds of piercing damage. But because it's no fun to spend hours whacking at someone in armor to no effect...medieval fantasy which have an absurd amount of such armors (heavy armor wasn't as common in real life) simply requires suspension of belief. And at that point...really...kitchen knife is a perfectly fine weapon.

[Edax]

Yes. But there are several locations around the stomach where attacks are not likely to be lethal (other than from bleeding out), or at least can be treated (and this also applies to fantasy medieval times, at the very least). Because of that, in tandem with the stomach absolutely needing to have freedom of movement of a certain degree, the armor actually does not protect it as well (hence the gaps and the open bottom of the "dress", despite there being some more armor underneath, yes).

For similar reasons (freedom of movement) neck, a very vital area that can lead to very fast death from even reasonably small damage, was not as well protected as chest or head. Because it is imperative for the head to be able to move, there were gaps in the plate armor in the area of the base of the neck where people actually very often attacked. You saw ever in a movie swordsmen holding their own swords blade leaving only a small tip with which they attacked?! Yeah, that's the way people used swords to aim for the gaps in plates, mainly for the neck area.

Yeah. Except I'm not sure why you wrote all of this since it's the same thing as I did. Except instead of comparing sword to a kitchen knife (a larger blade to a smaller blade), you're comparing kitchen knife to a letter opener (again, larger blade to smaller blade). We could go further down and say that you'll have a better luck with awl than with a letter opener cause awl is even thinner and longer. But what's the point?!

If you believe that a sword can pierce armor in a stomach, you should believe a kitchen knife (which is thinner), a letter opener (even thinner) and awl to do the same.

But I don't think a sword can pierce the armor in the stomach area (as long as the armor is metal plate). A letter opener has more in common with the tip of a polearm (which was designed to pierce chainmail) then a sword.
But, I just hate that in fantasy, heavy armor is till made of tin foil. It happens in so many movies and animes that it reaches the point that it makes no sense to wear the damn things.
In Game of Thrones, Ser Arthur Dayne just one-handed stabbed a sword through 6 layers of armor. Sword just goes through a coat of plates, then gambeson, then through chainmail and then through the blokes clothes back through the chainmail, again through another layer of gambeson and through yet another coat of plates. It's just nonsense. Why even wear the coat of plates in the fantasy world to begin with? To look cool? Was it too hard to show him stabbing the unprotected neck?



This is why I criticize Ser Aymeric getting stabbed by a kitchen knife. It's designed to cut meat, not defeat armor, let alone heavy armor. It's not even a proper stabbing knife. Even in a fantasy world this stretched belief. The knife didn't even go where any logical gap in the armor would exist, it's only 2 inches away from the centerline of the torso.