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  1. #11
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    SwdVengeance's Avatar
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    S'leaina Ahdal
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    First, we genuinely don't know how substantially this will alter the market. Your assumption seems to ignore the fact that there will be a massive explosion of demand as well. You seem solely focused on the fact supply will go up, no that consumer base will too. You're absolutely flat out wrong to think prices will dip FAR below vendor prices. Any crafter worth their salt wouldn't make things that don't have profit margins and supply will dwindle. I'm unsure who exactly you think would start actively producing things to sell at a net loss, nor why you think there would be a demand for something as trivially inexpensive that vendors sell it. The vast majority of the market is based around things explicitly vendors don't sell.

    Second, if deflation happens, it is a GOOD thing for those without crafting. If by your assumption prices deflate massively, the only ones benefiting this are the consumer, which majority being non crafters. Competition can only be good for the consumer as well, deflation or not. Prices will be far more stable as supply grows and you're more likely to see prices fluctuate less and the often 10-20%+ you can already see.

    Third, the price of houses are static. The income of gil for the average player outside the market board is surprisingly a lot more than most would assume. Even if you strip the market board completely out of the equation, because of this base income it will never be out of reach given prices have static costs. If you were to make the argument that housing has issues based on availability, I don't think anyone would disagree but that's a wholly separate issue disconnected from the marketboard price shift.

    Do I think this will cause issues in the short term? Sure, throwing flood gates open too massive amounts of new competition as well as consumers will assuredly make things fluctuate. Do I think this will be a good thing in the long term? Sure as hell do. Prices will even out, accessibility for consumers will go through the roof, and throughput of sales will pick up.

    I'm not entirely sure who you're exactly worried about. Are you worried people on low population servers won't be able to sell a single item at massively inflated prices anymore? Are you afraid large population servers won't be able to deal with the influx of competition? For complete reference, this is coming from a rather hefty crafter on Greg with one of the more cutthroat markets out there, and I can hardly see this making much of a shift in our prices and people already make plenty of profit here. If you're worried about lower population servers not being able to bankroll themselves on inflated prices off just a single item, I'm hard pressed to believe that they can't do that still even with Greg level prices or lower.
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  2. #12
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    Xixi Eclipse
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    Ravana
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    when you consider most people can't be bothered even TPing to the MB with the cheapest prices, or gathering themselves, etc etc, I'm not convinced people will be visiting 10+ other servers just to find the cheapest whatever. It would be a VERY high-priced item that would motivate most to go out looking. I think you'll start out seeing quite a bit of it, mainly out of curiosity, then the novelty will wear off and most won't be bothered for generic low cost items.


    I do expect to see a general evening-out of prices, servers with depressed markets will see rises, servers with very high prices will see drops. That's not a bad thing.
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  3. #13
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    Iunia Arcena
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    Ah yes, I'm sure it will be very tragic for the 2 people on my server who have a 40 million gil monopoly on a particular emote to maybe finally have to face a competitive marketplace. I will cry a grand total of 0.99 tears and play a sad tune on my small violin in front of their giant mansions. What will the housing market do once all the richest people who already own houses...

    Oh, wait.
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    Last edited by Bonbori; 02-09-2019 at 06:30 PM.

  4. #14
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    MistakeNot's Avatar
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    Auriana Redsteele
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaedan View Post
    Not at all. Deflating prices is a GOOD thing for the vast majority of the community. It means they have more disposable income to buy houses, which will making housing MORE affordable.
    That assumes that everyone actually spends a significant amount of gil on the MB. Which plenty of people don't do, since there is absolutely nothing on the MB that you actually need to buy.
    The Market Board is a convenince, nothing more.
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  5. #15
    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Hayk Farsight
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    Exodus
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    Is it confirmed we can use market boards on other servers? If we can't, no need to worry. I'm pretty sure they said we can't touch our retainers when on another world, so the same may be for the market.
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  6. #16
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    They confirmed from the first day they announced this you will be able to buy on other worlds but not sell.


    We assume this will lead to most clusters reaching an equilibrium price, but Crystal is a little up un the air, as by the time it's actually a thing, theres a chance Balmung is half its population, and there might not BE an economy on the cluster to hit an equilibrium price.
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  7. #17
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    Why can't people just wait until world visit comes out. It wouldn't be the first time SE does the complete opposite of what they announced.
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  8. #18
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    Tsenno Se'senovoto
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    Mateus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonbori View Post
    Ah yes, I'm sure it will be very tragic for the 2 people on my server who have a 40 million gil monopoly on a particular emote to maybe finally have to face a competitive marketplace. I will cry a grand total of 0.99 tears and play a sad tune on my small violin in front of their giant mansions. What will the housing market do once all the richest people who already own houses...

    Oh, wait.
    If you are talking about /shiver that is unfortunately true on all servers. Even on Balmung where are prices are probably the lowest everywhere it is still around 40 mil, and I've heard on smaller servers its upwards of 80 mil. It's a very rare emote that hasn't had its drop rate nerfed.
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  9. #19
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    Ali Lifesaver
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonbori View Post
    Ah yes, I'm sure it will be very tragic for the 2 people on my server who have a 40 million gil monopoly on a particular emote to maybe finally have to face a competitive marketplace. I will cry a grand total of 0.99 tears and play a sad tune on my small violin in front of their giant mansions. What will the housing market do once all the richest people who already own houses...

    Oh, wait.
    It's called supply and demand, it always happens with low supply/high demand items. Inform yourself about the time and effort (on top of a lot of luck) involved in getting that emote and say again the price isn't appropriate. Or you can always grind pagos for weeks and get it yourself.
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  10. #20
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    Nessa Goddessly
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    Ravana
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vrankyl View Post
    If you are talking about /shiver that is unfortunately true on all servers. Even on Balmung where are prices are probably the lowest everywhere it is still around 40 mil, and I've heard on smaller servers its upwards of 80 mil. It's a very rare emote that hasn't had its drop rate nerfed.
    I was lucky enough to get it on Behemoth when it dipped down to 26mil, I think it has gone up in price again now.

    The movement of servers is gonna hit casual crafters the most. The ones that aren't rich, who craft so they can pay for their raiding stuff, glamour addictions, housing items, etc. They'll have problems making cash as supply and demand changes, whilst the already mega-rich crafters will benefit, as anything they want to buy is now cheaper, and it'll be harder for anyone else to catch up to them.
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