Gender locked race?

[InkstainedGwyn]

Gender locking the race doesn't make the expansion bare bones. Seriously... nothing like trying to exaggerate the fact you appear to be disappointed the race may be gender locked. It appears we have another race coming and if that is gender locked as well that would essentially even out the release to one male and one female addition to the game.

I didn't say gender-locking it meant the expansion was bare-bones. I said that trying to milk two Major Announcements (TM) out of one race smells like a bare-bones expansion. And that's only if they give us male Viera.

[Shippuu]

"Hey guys remember that race you really wanted for like the better part of a decade? We're going to sell you half of it and to make up for it we're making the other half a race nobody has asked for."

I'm not seeing it.

"Hey guys remember that job you wanted for the better part of a decade? We're going to give it to you in a very limited way and prevent it from participating in highest level content."

Blue Mage's inclusion as a limited job was far more of a negative and risky choice than a gender locked race will ever be. Especially when that race has only been depicted by its females, so anyone asking for that race for a male version was entirely doing it off an imaginary and hypothetical version.

People are still getting the Viera the majority of people asking for the race would have wanted.

[GenericMagus]

"Hey guys remember that race you really wanted for like the better part of a decade? We're going to sell you half of it and to make up for it we're making the other half a race nobody has asked for."

I'm not seeing it.

Well Yoshi-P isn't adverse to the idea of gender locking, he is techniclly giving us Viera, and plus Matsuno might also be in agreement of "No Male Viera."

I mean, sure what the fans want is one thing, but you also have to respect the creator as well if he says no.

[GenericMagus]

"Hey guys remember that job you wanted for the better part of a decade? We're going to give it to you in a very limited way and prevent it from participating in highest level content."

Blue Mage's inclusion as a limited job was far more of a negative and risky choice than a gender locked race will ever be. Especially when that race has only been depicted by its females, so anyone asking for that race for a male version was entirely doing it off an imaginary and hypothetical version.

People are still getting the Viera the majority of people asking for the race would have wanted.

This exactly, a job matters way more than any race could. But I guess this community just wants to RP and look good than play a job that many others wanted and gets trashed because not in their interests. Seriously, people shouldn't be shocked if Viera are locked while BLU is locked.

[LaylaTsarra]

I didn't say gender-locking it meant the expansion was bare-bones. I said that trying to milk two Major Announcements (TM) out of one race smells like a bare-bones expansion. And that's only if they give us male Viera.

Male Viera in no way equate to an expansion being bare bones and the announcements have been just fine. Personally I think the race is gender locked and that they will be announcing another race in Toyko for which they are not prepared to announce until then. Just my take on it. If males were part of the release I truly think we'd have seen them already.

[Shippuu]

This exactly, a job matters way more than any race could. But I guess this community just wants to RP and look good than play a job that many others wanted and gets trashed because not in their interests. Seriously, people shouldn't be shocked if Viera are locked while BLU is locked.

To help put into perspective that jobs are far more important, not every expansion has added a new race, and per their comments at the last fanfests, there may be no more future races added to the game. Yet they continuously add multiple new jobs every expansion, because those are actually more important pieces of content that they can't easily choose to not do.

[Corue]

Blue Mage's inclusion as a limited job was far more of a negative and risky choice than a gender locked race will ever be.

Absolute toss. Comparing a job that's radically different to the current flow of gameplay to the gender of a race is nonsense.

BLU is BLU because people wanted a direct translation of it from XI. a job that: had to learn skills from monsters rather than from quests or leveling, could heal itself, could tank and could inflict effects like Doom. Something that would have completely broken the flow of gameplay and wouldn't fit within the "holy trinity" formula of an MMO. While questionable, a limited job was one of the ways they could have implemented it how people wanted without infringing on its identify of being a powerful spellcaster that learned abilities from monsters.

I fail to see how this is riskier than implementing a race but not only shafting about half the people who are interested in but giving them something completely unrelated to the race they wanted. There is not a single good reason as to why male Viera should be unplayable.
"But lore!" This isn't the Ivalice from the Ivalice Alliance series. This its own world with its own timeline that differs from the other one. Even the Viera look different. Why would implementing males in an unrelated world suddenly break the lore of a different series?
If we wanted to be lore friendly you wouldn't be able to do any quests that involve Viera because they refuse to speak to you for being an outsider.

[Shippuu]

Absolute toss. Comparing a job that's radically different to the current flow of gameplay to the gender of a race is nonsense.

It really isnt. It's a design decision that came with more risks than gender locking a race ever could.

BLU is BLU because people wanted a direct translation of it from XI.

I could easily make the exact same statement to justify only getting female viera. Considering female viera is the only thing that's ever been shown in any final fantasy game. So by extension a "direct translation" from another game means that only female viera would be around.

Since blue mage came out, we've seen more than enough people who would have preferred the job sacrificed a ton of its identity to be played as a normal job. The dev team decided to keep it true to it's roots, just as they could decide to keep viera true to it's past representations and make males nowhere to be seen.

I fail to see how this is riskier than implementing a race but not only shafting about half the people who are interested in but giving them something completely unrelated to the race they wanted.

Because a job is actual gameplay, while a race is purely cosmetic. One of those has a far greater impact on the game than the other (and it isn't the race). If races are so important, why was there no huge drop in subs when stormblood released with no new race? Were there huge movements to demand a new playable race come?

Once again, since male viera have never been depicted, there's no saying that SE's version of them would be "what the players wanted." You already see plenty of complaints with the female viera we are getting for exactly that reason.

There is not a single good reason as to why male Viera should be unplayable.

There are plenty. You just choose to not accept any of them as valid.

[Kogekigami]

For the record, she didn't say all of that. I can't find the quote right now but I think she just said that people can be afraid of what is unfamiliar, or what they don't understand, or something to that effect.

Still creates the same issue with her giving that reasoning to another Au Ra, but she doesn't directly say that her race are mistaken for monsters.

(I think that was only brought up with Sidurgu in Ishgard, because of course that encounter was never going to end well... I have to wonder how he was ever allowed to stay in the city. )

sorry i forgot some of that is in the encyclopedia and I'm mixing other interactions...but still serves the same point. I don't think people can use lore and continuity as a reason for there being no male bun buns XD. As I said in an earlier post there a really easy reason that yoshi p can use to have playable male viera. There is a war/threat of war. I'm pretty sure the viera would not go 'nah lets just stay in our forest until the tropes are at our door.' And as lore states the males are the trained protectors. It could easily be written that they join forces with the alliance. With a relationship established between fran and the WOL/WOD its not hard to write in that the veira offer to help support the alliance. Sending the strongest warriors would include the Males.

[MorbolvampireQueen6]

This exactly, a job matters way more than any race could. But I guess this community just wants to RP and look good than play a job that many others wanted and gets trashed because not in their interests. Seriously, people shouldn't be shocked if Viera are locked while BLU is locked.

I love blue and i wish it wasnt locked....


However race does matter more than class/job in a rpg which ff is a rpg aka roleplaying game so truthfully the race does matter more than the job plus you can play all jobs so blue being locked isn't a big deal. But in order to play all races you got to spend 100s of real money lol