Gender locked race?

[Corue]

Blue Mage is a support melee dps if this helps.

Yeah and look how that turned out.

[GenericMagus]

Yeah and look how that turned out.

Well that's one of the details that was wrong for its classification, but it is possible to build Blue Mage like a Support Melee DPS.

But other than that it was spot on (though I hate current Blue Mage implementation please change it now SE)

[Gwenorai]

The; 'Viera dream is dead'
Was actually him quoting someone, his response to it was him stating it was a new race. Yet again, he never said playable. It's just obvious that Viera would be playable due to the only reason they didn't wish to implement them in before was due to the massive hassle of having to redo the armour for the legs/shoes.

The lion was linked into it not being the only race - yet again he never said playable only that it was new to the game or rather to the FF14 world. Regarding Male Viera, I will correct myself as I noticed that the concept art of Male Viera from HW he still claimed was rather 'still cute' - but seeing as he showed it; his art team and etc must have really won the debate there and argued enough to have them shown. I can see this happening again. Yet again, the leaker never mentioned a gender lock. The only reason people think it will be is due to a mixture of Yoshi P's attitude regarding cute Viera males and the fact they believe it would be impossible for them to release two new playable races - or rather less likely. So instead they think it's more likely to have two species that are gender locked. Which made no sense to me but, you know.

Yoshida is the producer, yes, but he can be overruled as someone said. Part of me believes he's willing to have them if they simply do not fall into the troupe of being 'too cute' he wants them to be fierce due to their lifestyle.

Now; something did get my attention is that the lore was written did have a piece that got my attention;


Company Tragedian: “You spoke with a Viera, you say? How exotic! I recall reading that following the Empire’s occupation of Dalmasca, several imperial army units were sent into the jungles to round up the hares and bring them to Rabanastre. As you might imagine, only a few of the soldiers returned… and the few Viera with them appeared to have followed on their own volition.”

Viera females are in hidden villages that people can't get into - the Jungle will not allow them passage you need special permission to get inside. It's the hare part that gets me. While Viera are seen more like rabbits, hares are a different subspecies. Hares live alone or in groups of 2 - they only come together to mate and they're pretty damn aggressive. This sounds like the males. So, if they were trying to round them up - which would be one heck of a task since the boys are spread about - this explains why the units were destroyed. And the only reason a small few were able to survive and return was due to the very few Viera who decided to leave with them. This could easily have been males. It fits with there green word. Only leave the wood if it is to protect the wood.

Viera aren't idiotic. It's a wise move to return with the enemy to figure out what's going on - or to join them if that also means sparring the wood.


Anyway, this was just a lot of speculation because I love to speculate!

[Corue]

Well that's one of the details that was wrong for its classification, but it is possible to build Blue Mage like a Support Melee DPS.

But other than that it was spot on (though I hate current Blue Mage implementation please change it now SE)

Not once did he mention anything about BLU being limited and assumed it would drop at 4.3 and be revealed at E3.
He's gotten things wrong before.

A second race is by far the most outlandish thing he's stated. He only brings up a second race months after saying there was only Viera and given how much emphasis Yoshi puts on saying making a race is hard, I doubt they'd suddenly start working on a new one midway through developmental of an already existing one.

[TyrForseti]

If there are to be any other races added I feel SE needs to get away from the humanoid types and venture into non humanoid types, like golem and so on or even allow interracial combinations. Like lala/roe, lala/au'ra, lala/ mi'qote, lala/ hyur, lala/ Viera, roe/au'ra, roe/ mi'qote, roe/ hyur, roe/ elezen, roe/ Viera. This would appease a lot of the need for adding new races for a long while instead of it following the trend of having a new race per expansion maybe one every other expansion so the dev team and art department can make quality items like gear, weapons.

Maybe I'm wrong and I'm looking too much into it I just think it would help diversify what's already here and add a little more flavor to the mix.

[GenericMagus]

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OK, BLU can work in FFXIV, and having a fan popular job restricted to what amounts to nothing, alongside their content already practically dead and nothing more than another collect-a-thon, an endgane that doesn't matter an nothing more than a SFX spammer, alongside being balanced as a level 50 job, with a pretty standard rotation of mostly spamming one spell, a DoT and a few oGCDs, we been outright lied to about its solo aspects, and the whole thing reaks of laziness at best, spite at worst. Not to mention being hypocrits (Lol Level 5 death on Omega, be too OP so lets make immunities on every bosses contradicting our own statement). No job in this gane should be Limited, and that it's against what the fans and majority want (even in Japanese forums they hate it as well). If one jobs Limited, every other job after CAN be Limited. What would your favourite job that you want to main get Limited too?

BLUs skill learning and being limited are not hand in hand, you can have both, or just one of them while having the full perks.

Besides the same argument can be applied to Viera (come from a different place in the franchise, incompatible lore, having to work with the original creators).

There's always going to be speculation, alongside the fact that SE are dodging every question and with very accurate leaks revealed.

If you're all for one aspect of the game being limited, be ready for other aspects being limited.

[GenericMagus]

I don't know, having Yo-Kai watch Minions, getting a flying car, hunting Rathalos, soon able to queue for a Nier raid, having Garo glamour, all the catbois and whatnot isn't already destroying the lore?
I think some male bunnies will not change much in the end.

You have to keep in mind, this is FFXII Viera, not FFXIV unique race. If you asked for a race like Viera and we got an entirely new one that's based of Viera that wouldn't be a problem.

Matsuno can reject any notion of having Male viera at all, on the basis that it goes against his Lore, not FFXIV. Consiering how they have already taken liberties with the Ivalice raids and tried to stay true to them as much as possible, it's still a FFXIV adaptation of previous installments elements, which obviously had to be run through beforehand (seriously, interhouse copyright is still a thing after all).

[Corue]

You have to keep in mind, this is FFXII Viera, not FFXIV unique race. If you asked for a race like Viera and we got an entirely new one that's based of Viera that wouldn't be a problem.

No, this is XIV Viera from XIV Ivalice. Adding male Viera here wouldn't retroactively break the canon of the actual Ivalice games.

Reversed timeline? Sure.
Events playing out differently? Fine by me.
Geological changes and mixed up locations? No problem.
Characters assuming different roles and personalities? That's reasonable.
Male bunnies? Too far.

[InkstainedGwyn]

People need to stop equating "PC game population" and "Canon game population". If the two were equivalent, your lore would already be broken because there's a good ~7.5-15k Warriors of Light on every server. Given that it only takes 4/8 players to achieve any of the objectives towards freeing Doma/Gyr Abania, and 24 to deal with all of the Ivalice doom and gloom, then we should be all set to just ride on up to Garlemald and stomp Solus and Varis, right? A few dozen can smash each ascian and we're done.

.... Except that the game is written with the assumption that there is only one current WoL. That's the "rare Viera from the wood". That's why the "rare miqo'te male" works, too. You can establish whatever game-population lore you want, but the "numbers" only work at any time when applied to the single canon WoL.

[GenericMagus]

No, this is XIV Viera from XIV Ivalice. Adding male Viera here wouldn't retroactively break the canon of the actual Ivalice games.

Reversed timeline? Sure.
Events playing out differently? Fine by me.
Geological changes and mixed up locations? No problem.
Characters assuming different roles and personalities? That's reasonable.
Male bunnies? Too far.

Yes this is FFXIV Ivalice and FFXIV Viera, however they're both based off of FFXII and FFT incarnations. This means they still have to deal with the original right owners, but they also need to have permission in the first place to do so.

If it was its own unique race there wouldn't be a problem. But this is dealing with Viera wholesale, not a FFXIV version, Viera as a whole. First originating in Tactics Advance (which is a far different Ivalice than of XIV and XII) had them as gender locked then, and when XII was made they kept the gender lock.

There seems to be a heavy theme in how the creator originally envisioned the race, not even taking into account if there would be an MMORPG featuring them (who could back in the early 2000s?)

This is why it's an adaptation and SE wants to remain faithful to the source material. If an adaptation isn't faithful people would deride the end product as it's "not representing what they wanted."

It's not about keeping XII lore (anyone who say Viera originated in XII are mis-informed) but from Tactics Advance, it's keeping Viera Lore as a whole intact. It's like saying Crystal Tower isn't a faithful adaptation/recreation of the final dungeon from FF3 because "they added in characters who weren't relevant to the source game".