Male Viera (BunBros) - We Want Them - With Heels!

[TarynH]

Can't jus everyone block the troll and patiently wait for male viera reveal on JP fan fest?

I'm going to assume you're referring to me. That's cool. I came into the thread asking genuine questions, based on my interpretation of the OP's post. Could've been easily cleared up if the OP had posted just once in the (now 4) days since.

Instead, 3 days later someone else decided to answer my post, thinking they could provide a satisfying answer. Saying they wanted to play a guy because they're a guy. That's fine and all, but still doesn't answer why there can't be a female only race. They even went as far as to say their characters represent them, and they want eye candy.

So I in turn asked them if their current eye candy was not sufficient, and if a male bunny would best represent them. And if not, what would be the point of a feminine male bunny? How would that represent them better?

Fair questions, again based on how I interpreted the OP's request for a male Viera "with heels." I thought he was asking for basically a male that looked just like the female, based on him adding "with heels." This still has not been clarified by him personally, so I'm still not sure if he meant shoes or not.

If the above were true, then it would be pandering, and it would just be a social justice case. Because they're only asking for it, because others got the female version, and the female version just isn't good enough for them, yet they want the same thing. I've since apologized for that initial misinterpretation of the OP's post, and also for the term social justice.

A later post someone brought up being gay, which had nothing to do with it. I never mentioned anything about it either. And really, just because a guy wants to play as a guy, doesn't mean we can't get an all female race. They simply won't play as that race if they don't want to.

Also, it still doesn't answer the question why they would want the males to look like the females. (Again, based on my initial interpretation.) Because they wouldn't play the females anyhow due to how they looked.

The same poster brought cross-dressing into the argument. This also had nothing to do with it. I wasn't hung up on the act of a guy wearing heels. I was hung up on why the male had to look like the female (in my mind) right down to the shoes they wore. I explained that in my next post.

That same poster came back, accusing me of not being able to handle a guy wearing heels. And assumed I'd get in their face and try to police their behavior. Again, this had nothing to do with what I said. Just the first of many assumptions made.

but heels on a male character would just be too much for you to handle. What would you even do if you saw a guy wearing heels in real life? Would you get in their face and try to police their behavior as well?

My next few posts were ignored where I explained what I'd like to see.

But if they just add them to appease, and they're basically reskinned females... I think that would be a tragedy personally. As well as wasted resources. Because that's obviously not what people are wanting. It's certainly not what I want. I want them to be different. I actually like the concept art of them being muscular enough to not need heels.

So I'll try to be succinct here:
If male Viera are added, I want them to be the rugged, masculine, fight-to-survive, bottom dwellers that are talked about in game already.
I don't care what they wear after that. They can wear a leaf and tiara for all I care.
I do not want them to look like boobless carbon copy versions of the female. That does not fit their own individual established lore.
I want the OP to clarify what they are saying when they say, "with heels." Because some of it could be lost in translation.

The very next post came at me with a history lesson on cultures of the world, and how they all dress differently. Great! Still wasn't at all what I was talking about. Then that same person came out of left field with their end comment trying to imply I was racist towards a fictional race!

Trying to push against this notion under the guise of "Lore" or "Equality" is tantamount to racism against the Viera.

Then I get accused of taking things "too far." Really? Because I interpreted the OP's post of basically what they said? What every "we want male Viera" post says? That the females are good and all, but we really won't be satisfied without their male counterparts.

Next I respond to someone, and basically get told my thoughts and posts are unnecessary. We're getting super tolerant now.

Explain why we need the great wall of text for it though?
..Hmm maybe I shouldn't ask that since it's inviting another big block of unnecessary text about it like done to the poor OP.

They play the victim card in the OP's stead. Yes, that poor OP that has not been victimized at all, and who I feel is quite capable of being able to post too.

I get accused of having a "hilariously fragile ego," while I'm literally apologizing to that same person for the social justice remark. Probably ignored my later posts where I clarified what he's still accusing me of. But again, I explain that I'm not offended by what he thinks I'm offended by, and am still trying to progress towards a civil discussion.

Which is greeted with "ignore the troll." How to shut down discussion of differing views.

[Crushnight]

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i haven't read through the thread yet and i will do after posting from my understanding the male Viera lore is very similar to male Miqo'te lore while 1.x had miqo'te gender locked to female only in 2.x the devs decided to allow players to play male miqo'te as well while they kept the same base lore for them and adding to it from there so as far as i see it if the devs wanted to gender lock a race they should've added lore like ff11 Galka where they are percieved a gender without having an actual gender anyone who uses lore for a reason why male viera should not be playable should look at the army of catbois and come back to me :P

Gender locking at this stage also makes no sense from a player satisfaction level or a business level there is nothing else SE can add that would be more requested than male viera at this point adding anything else would be way too big a risk and if they take that risk it will not pay off SE does have full creative control on male viera whereas female viera have been depicted before so they might be taking their time with it my hope is that they will be revealed at jp fan fest as i really wanna be a bunboi >_<

that was a lot to get through but can make a better comment people want to play male for the same reason people want to play female for the aesthetic of it nothing more nothing less OP put their more specific version they like as a wish to see male vieras to go. If SE decides not to include male viera no alternative they could offer will be satisfactory enough to compensate, male vieras are the 2nd most requested new playable race after female vieras when people asked for Vieras most people were asking for both male and females gender locking would be a slap in the face for all players who wanted to be male vieras and their is no adequate reason as to why they should not be implemented.

[Bright-Flower]

i haven't read through the thread yet and i will do after posting from my understanding the male Viera lore is very similar to male Miqo'te lore while 1.x had miqo'te gender locked to female only in 2.x the devs decided to allow players to play male miqo'te as well while they kept the same base lore for them and adding to it from there so as far as i see it if the devs wanted to gender lock a race they should've added lore like ff11 Galka where they are percieved a gender without having an actual gender anyone who uses lore for a reason why male viera should not be playable should look at the army of catbois and come back to me :P

Gender locking at this stage also makes no sense from a player satisfaction level or a business level there is nothing else SE can add that would be more requested than male viera at this point adding anything else would be way too big a risk and if they take that risk it will not pay off SE does have full creative control on male viera whereas female viera have been depicted before so they might be taking their time with it my hope is that they will be revealed at jp fan fest as i really wanna be a bunboi >_<

that was a lot to get through but can make a better comment people want to play male for the same reason people want to play female for the aesthetic of it nothing more nothing less OP put their more specific version they like as a wish to see male vieras to go. If SE decides not to include male viera no alternative they could offer will be satisfactory enough to compensate, male vieras are the 2nd most requested new playable race after female vieras when people asked for Vieras most people were asking for both male and females gender locking would be a slap in the face for all players who wanted to be male vieras and their is no adequate reason as to why they should not be implemented.

The lore angle for me is moot for another reason: SE is writing the lore. If we get to March fanfest and they say 'Male Viera don't fit the lore' I would call BS because THEY WROTE THE LORE and only put it in the game in 4.5 when they had clearly already settled on the new race(s) for the expansion. I would perceive that not as 'our hands are tied by lore' but rather 'we didn't want to make male Viera so we wrote a lore excuse to not have them.'

[QT_Melon]

They play the victim card in the OP's stead. Yes, that poor OP that has not been victimized at all, and who I feel is quite capable of being able to post too.

Well yeah, while you did apologize later about the social justice remark, you made several reaching arguments that didn't need to be made period. There's discussion but you were going far beyond that. Just because I said "poor OP" doesn't equal playing victim card, it was just unnecessary. But okay.