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  1. #21
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    Enla's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by MorbolvampireQueen6 View Post
    No it's not luck its math and it puts dps at a unfair advantage by numbers do the box thing
    It really doesn't unless you lump all DPS together, which the game itself does not do. Likewise Healers and Tanks get chances at cracked clusters and the money that comes from being the more common roles needed to fill duty roulette rosters, and unlike DPS they don't have to worry about not being able to equip something for their roll. If a tank piece or healer piece drops, any tank or healer respectively can equip it. If a dragoon piece drops while you're on bard, well good luck first winning the Greed roll and even if you did win it you'd need to level dragoon to even equip it.
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  2. #22
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    MorbolvampireQueen6's Avatar
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    Nagini Kagon
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    A 1 set 1 set 5 set is simple math when you count all the chest it isnt luck. There are 5 dps sets vs 1 tank and 1 heal and that doesnt add up to fair odds in random luck wise
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  3. #23
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    Reinha's Avatar
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    Reinha Sorrowmoon
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    Quote Originally Posted by MorbolvampireQueen6 View Post
    A 1 set 1 set 5 set is simple math when you count all the chest it isnt luck. There are 5 dps sets vs 1 tank and 1 heal and that doesnt add up to fair odds in random luck wise
    Assuming they have an equal drop chance, you're right. IMO the fact that it's harder for dps to get into groups kind of makes up for it.
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  4. #24
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    Brynhildr
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    Okay since non of you seem to get math heres a question solve it.

    If i give you 1 ticket you must guess what jellybean flavor is in a box out of 7 then i give the next person 5 tickets to make the guess. Who is going to win by the odds and is that fair odds.

    Because thats how chest work with the game
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  5. #25
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    Nihility's Avatar
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    Tenebria Miku
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    Quote Originally Posted by MorbolvampireQueen6 View Post
    A 1 set 1 set 5 set is simple math when you count all the chest it isnt luck. There are 5 dps sets vs 1 tank and 1 heal and that doesnt add up to fair odds in random luck wise
    your skewing the facts to make it seem different than it is.
    There isn't 5 generic 'dps' sets there's a DRG, NIN, MNK/SAM, BLM/SMN/RDM, and BRD/MCH alongside the PLD/WAR/DRK and WHM/SCH/AST sets

    A ninja has the same 1 in 7 chance of getting something usable as a paladin does
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  6. #26
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    The role in general has a higher chance count the dps jobs their chance overwhelms the other 2 roles chancem
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  7. #27
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    Gwenorai's Avatar
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    Dyslexius Nervar
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    I don't understand why you don't understand how RNG works.

    If I had 7 marbles and put them in a bag and picked one at random. I have 1/7 chance of picking up a specific marble. I put the marble back into the bag. It will always be 1/7. If I go into a dungeon and open a chest there's a 1/7 chance it will be either one of those 1 sets. It will always be 1/7.

    Unless your complaint is literally there are 5 sets that are 'DPS' and for some reason think that the DPS will automatically get them when you can roll on them yourself, unless one of those sets is something that can be needed upon; which is STILL a 1/7 chance that a DPS will be able to do that.
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  8. #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gwenorai View Post
    I don't understand why you don't understand how RNG works.

    If I had 7 marbles and put them in a bad and picked one at random. I have 1/7 chance of picking up a specific marble. I put the marble back into the bag. It will always be 1/7. If I go into a dungeon and open a chest there's a 1/7 chance it will be either one of those 1 sets. It will always be 1/7.

    Unless your complaint is literally there are 5 sets that are 'DPS' and for some reason think that the DPS will automatically get them when you can roll on them yourself, unless one of those sets is something that can be needed upon; which is STILL a 1/7 chance that a DPS will be able to do that.

    Because that isnt a issue the issue is thete are 5 red marbels vs 1 blue vs 1 green 9 times out of 10 you will draw a red one aka dps

    The reds out number blue and green isn't equal odds so its not a rng issue its the pure facts of math
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  9. #29
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    Tenebria Miku
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    Quote Originally Posted by MorbolvampireQueen6 View Post
    The role in general has a higher chance count the dps jobs their chance overwhelms the other 2 roles chancem
    while what your saying is technically true in real world application it's nonsensical

    You could go into a dungeon as a dps, have every single drop in the dungeon be dps gear, and walk away without a single usable item
    That is in no way better than the same situation for a tank or healer

    for what your trying to argue to be a real problem there would have to be something like MNK/SAM gear is internally coded to drop at 400% the rate of other sets
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  10. #30
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    Dyslexius Nervar
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    That's STILL not how it works.
    A dps can only need on ONE specific type that's 1/7
    All of the types have 1/7 of appearing in a chest.

    So your issue is there's 5/7 that is DPS. But you're also failing to see that there is still 1/7 chance. There is equal opportunity for the tank gear to appear repeatedly just as the aiming gear does. In fact I had this scenario happen multiple times. The fending/Healing always seems to drop when I go into dungeons - not the DPS. While I was farming swallows nest for the casting gear - TANK gear dropped more than the casting, and a good portion of the rings/necklaces were healing.
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