Male Viera (BunBros) - We Want Them - With Heels!

[QT_Melon]

Anyways, I can't exactly see them reneging on creating a male version since like I said earlier, they were all okay with showing concepts during Fate in Tokyo, then getting cold feet and doing what they said they didn't want to do in 1.0 (create a gender locked race).


They had some pretty cool designs, looks like the wolf made it into Stormblood



The album for those curious.

https://imgur.com/gallery/YEIpZ

[stormygabe]

Uhhh sorry no that's not how it works. Not all gay players want to play as women. Some do, and that's totally fine, but people like me don't want to have to be forced to play as a female in order to preserve the lore which is already broken by Paissa houses and motorcycles in the game. I like playing as male, and I like being able to dress my character as masculine or feminine as I want. Whether someone wants to play as a super-macho-bara Roegadyn in a speedo or a Viera male in full drag dressed up as Frank from Rocky Horror Picture Show is none of your business.

Thanks for this. I prepared a response, but the moment I read "social justice" and how threads like these "pop up often" whining about equality, I knew there was no point. Also, they totally missed my point. But what can ya do. I'm cynical about all this. While I'd LOVE a pretty, bishi looking bunny man, I'm saving my optimism for when everything is revealed.

[stormygabe]

(I'm not sure that they would be practical, by the way - if they're built to walk that way all the time, they should be able to support themselves without issues. Try doing it yourself - your legs need to be a bit more bent to balance properly, but it's not that uncomfortable. I think heeled shoes would interfere rather than help.)

So your entire post was awesome, but I want to zero in on this comment. BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT I THINK EVERY TIME I READ SOMETHING ABOUT VIERA FEET. Like...yeah yeah it's fantasy. But if they, presumably, evolved digitigrade feet, wouldn't they have also had the ability to support themselves without heels? (I mean...the heels were probs for the "appeal" but still.)

[TarynH]

So your entire post was awesome, but I want to zero in on this comment. BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT I FUCKING THINK EVERY TIME I READ SOMETHING ABOUT VIERA FEET. Like...yeah yeah it's fantasy. But if they, presumably, evolved digitigrade feet, wouldn't they have also had the ability to support themselves without heels? (I mean...the heels were probs for the "appeal" but still.)

I was always under the impression that the females sat up in the tree tops and ate carrots all day. So their muscles aren't as well defined, to the point of them needing support of the heels.

[Kalise]

So your entire post was awesome, but I want to zero in on this comment. BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT I FUCKING THINK EVERY TIME I READ SOMETHING ABOUT VIERA FEET. Like...yeah yeah it's fantasy. But if they, presumably, evolved digitigrade feet, wouldn't they have also had the ability to support themselves without heels? (I mean...the heels were probs for the "appeal" but still.)

I mean, sure, they'd be able to support themselves without the heels. They wouldn't be NECESSARY. But they might be more comfortable, just like how we as humans don't NEED shoes but they're more comfortable than going barefoot about the place (Even if you would end up developing callouses to toughen up the skin so that you wouldn't feel the roughness of the terrain as well as mitigating scratches and cuts)

Also, as far as the practicality aspect goes... I recall reading a study where it was mentioned that stilettos actually create a foot shape that if naturally developed (I.e. Digitigrade feet and a heel spike) would be superior to both regular digitigrade and plantigrade feet.

Since, digitigrade provides extra agility through the additional leverage of their ankle. While plantigrade get better load bearing capacity. With that stiletto shape giving a mix between both, with the additional ankle leverage through relying on the toes only while running, but with the heel providing an additional base to centre weight on.

[QT_Melon]

So your entire post was awesome, but I want to zero in on this comment. BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT I FUCKING THINK EVERY TIME I READ SOMETHING ABOUT VIERA FEET. Like...yeah yeah it's fantasy. But if they, presumably, evolved digitigrade feet, wouldn't they have also had the ability to support themselves without heels? (I mean...the heels were probs for the "appeal" but still.)

Well mainly digitigrade is mostly due to how the figure is balanced birds have hip joints to help with their walking in locomotion and for the most part, it's limited to walking birds, rarely bipedal animals. The gravity would hurt, and animals like ostriches have splayed feet to help with weight distribution.

For something human, you have to understand form and balance -
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-jiDfpmoKX...wingNotes1.jpg (Michael Hampton)

The heel does help balance it out but I definitely wouldn't say it's a comfortable solution as a stiletto.

I've seen this - https://i.pinimg.com/originals/29/a6...f1bab082db.jpg

[Iscah]

Those are legitimate questions in regard to both of his posts. He said something about the Mi'Qote being gender locked, until the community asked; in his second post. So I asked if it would be so awful to play a female only character.

I fail to see the relevance of those two things.

Miqo'te are the best example for him to bring up of why fans should (or at least feel they need to) directly ask for male Viera. That is, the previous race of characters with cute furry animal ears that the developers thought should be female-only, until their audience asked them to change it because they really wanted male characters as well.

"I like this male character design and want it in the game" doesn't instantly mean "the female design isn't good enough, I need a male design too". It just means they want the male character because it's a good design, and the developers have thus-far shown no indication that they're implementing it.

The enjoyment-or-not of playing as a female-only-race Viera versus a female Viera with a male counterpart is irrelevant. It doesn't sound like OP would be playing as a female Viera either way. Therefore, the question is (hypothetically) not whether the non-availability of males would affect his enjoyment of playing as a Viera, it's whether males will be available because that's a Viera character he would like to play as, but the females are not.

I was legitimately pondering if having a female only race (character) would take the OP out of their comfort zone. If it would, then there is a slight hypocrisy to his base argument of wanting male representation for said race.

In other words, he'd be comfortable having males with heels, as long as they came with the females. But not okay with having females only, heels or no heels, despite the lore basically saying they'd be female only.

You still seem to be assuming "heels" means heeled shoes. Or perhaps it's just what you were thinking at the time - which may (and I think is likely to) be the wrong interpretation.

And you're reading so many things into his post that aren't there. Not even in passing.

I can't see how "not wanting to play a female character" could make it hypocritical to want a male character design implemented because they like it.

And you're pulling "comfortable having males with heels, as long as they came with the females" utterly out of thin air. He never said anything like it. He posted an image and asked for them to be implemented still looking like they did in the image.

Of course he's not going to be "okay with females only" if he's hoping to get the male design which was both shown as a concept, and has been described in lore-text within the game itself - in a way that definitely sounds consistent with those concept sketches.

These are human-derived races, possibly via evolution, according to the lorebook. There are male and female genders. They exist, and it's not inconceivable that some males are going to choose to run away from that harsh cultural lifestyle that was described. It's completely justifiable that we'll encounter some.

(I have to wonder if the Dramaturge's text will change if-and-when they are implemented, to reflect that some have fled and become adventurers. Even if there are only females, surely he'll describe them differently!)

In other words: I have a female Viera, and I establish that females coexist with males, but the males are rarely seen and outside of mating choose not to be... EVER. Then I tell you, you can have the female Viera, because you requested a Viera. You tell me the female Viera is okay and all, but you really want a male to be satisfied. At this point you establish you are not comfortable with having a female only race. You probably won't touch the female. You most likely didn't care there would be a female. You just wanted the female to exist to get to the male.

Let's flip that over. Every race in the game so far has come as a "matched set" of two character designs, male and female. Some people will be hoping for cute bunny girls. Some will be hoping for powerful warrior types. Some will have been hoping for the cute bunny boys from that other concept art. All these calls together showed the developers that players want "Viera", so Viera should be implemented.

And now we get Viera, and it's only given one of the expected two designs, and only catered to half of the group that were hoping for its implementation - while the devs (hypothetically) sit back and go "see, we gave you the Viera you were all asking for! But only the girls because male bunnies would be weird, so we left them out."

Should people not be disappointed that they didn't actually get the thing they were hoping to get?

It still boils down to "this is a character type that I was hoping to get, and it could have been implemented, but now it isn't".

What makes it so special that Viera would be implemented as a female-only-playable race? Males still exist. You just can't play as them.

To me it seems just as "hypocritical" (or whatever the right word is) in a different way to suggest that the only way females can stand alone and seem like powerful characters is to completely segregate them from men. Do they suddenly become less strong if you introduce males to stand alongside them?

People are people, character designs are character designs, and some people will want to play as the male design which they thought was coming, but now might not be. The only thing it demonstrates is their personal taste in character type.

[TarynH]

I fail to see the relevance of those two things.

The relevance is the Mithra race, on which the Miqote were based, is a female only race (as far as playable). And I was asking if it would be so awful to have a female only race like that, because he brought them up.

Either way, that post was to clarify my thinking on my first post. Basically in response to your post, because it seemed you were trying to understand it better. It wasn't to continue my argument. But you can disregard the post anyway, because it's already been deemed as an "unnecessary wall of text," by the thought police.

[jake200135]

Anyways, I can't exactly see them reneging on creating a male version since like I said earlier, they were all okay with showing concepts during Fate in Tokyo, then getting cold feet and doing what they said they didn't want to do in 1.0 (create a gender locked race).


They had some pretty cool designs, looks like the wolf made it into Stormblood



The album for those curious.

https://imgur.com/gallery/YEIpZ

I actually really like the one in the top right. He has just the right amount of angry jungle boy willing to kill you on the spot and just a bit of cuteness thrown in. And the way his hair goes all the way around his face, I dare say it looks very mane like. I wonder if the BLU leaker saw this and thought it was a 2nd race?

[Guiballad]

Wow a lot of... uglyness jumped out here huh?

But i kinda hope we don't get another Au Ra situation with the Vieras. I still feel like Au Ri women came out looking too much "waifu" when compared to the men y'know? Men are these really tall and fierce looking beefcakes. And then the females have what half their height and look really delicate. Like sexual dimorphism is absolutely fine but i feel like they could've done it better (like they did with FemRoe).

So yeah i really hope the bunnyboys have not only heels but also some RIDICULOUS lingerie armor like their female counterparts. And i'm not even gonna lie i would DIE for bunnyboys to be absolute femme queens in design.