YoRHa/NieR alliance raid 5.0

[frostmagemari]

Literally all of this is already in the game how are you people sitting here arguing for lore you don't even pay attention to? Cyborg? Grynewhalt and the Astrologos mount. Mecha suit that flies? Cruise Chaser. Flying robots? Omega. Giant tank robots? Gobtanks Mark like 9 different ones, take your pick. I guess we don't have cyborgs in gothic dresses, but we do have cyborgs AND gothic dresses so how much of a stretch is this really? Hell we already got Androids too (thanks o12).

That's true, we do have all those things.. but the XIV themed robots (etc) all have a themed aesthetic to fit within the world of XIV; I can't speak for Voltyblast, but i feel that inserting Nier's aesthetic would create a mismatched contrast in the game.

Like.. Take a game like Red Dead Redemption. They have horses as the most used way of traveling.. the game has a certain aesthetic because they're normal horses adorned with normal gear you would use for horseback riding. Now add in a fantasy-esque horse, with layers of steel and spikes and so on (you get the picture) to the game. They're both horses.. so what's the problem with adding the second one?

Or better yet.. would it make sense to see Space Marine Power Armour and Bolters and chainswords being worn by the Garleans? They have tech to make armoured suits already.. so what's the the problem? The problem would be aesthetics. It wouldn't look like it's something the Garleans would make, it would look like it's ripped out of another world and they would stand out like a sore thumb every time you saw them because their look doesn't fit what the world presents as it's look.

Now who knows.. it may work perfectly and it'll feel like a XIV story that brought it's inspiration from Nier; but until we see it in action, there will be that fear that they'll just drop it in and make it feel alien. Kind of like how it's going to be odd driving around in an Audi instead of a Garlean magitek vehicle.

[Rowde]

That's true, we do have all those things.. but the XIV themed robots (etc) all have a themed aesthetic to fit within the world of XIV; I can't speak for Voltyblast, but i feel that inserting Nier's aesthetic would create a mismatched contrast in the game.
Like.. Take a game like Red Dead Redemption. They have horses as the most used way of traveling.. the game has a certain aesthetic because they're normal horses adorned with normal gear you would use for horseback riding. Now add in a fantasy-esque horse, with layers of steel and spikes and so on (you get the picture) to the game. They're both horses.. so what's the problem with adding the second one?

Now who knows.. it may work perfectly and it'll feel like a XIV story that brought it's inspiration from Nier; but until we see it in action, there will be that fear that they'll just drop it in and make it feel alien. Kind of like how it's going to be odd driving around in an Audi instead of a Garlean magitek vehicle.

Yeah that doesn't work as a comparison.

You're example is taking a western and infusing with fantasy elements.

By comparison FFXIV and Nier is taking is a fantasy game with HEAVY sci-fi elements already and infusing it with even more sci-fi elements.

To wit, I've already seen players put together convincing 2B and 9S glamours on my server with the gear already available in game. The "Yorha aesthetic" already exists.


However, I will concede that the alien machines from Automata are quite different from any current technology that exists in FFXIV. The closest resemblance in design would be Goblin Tech, or GobTek™. But like it's been said we don't actually know anything about the storyline yet. I've already posted that I thought that the silhouettes in the promotional image looked suspiciously like Job-specific redesigns of 2B's standard Yorha outfit, but it could also be that we're fighting against the Yorha system as it tries to continue it's perpetual proxy war anew, and the silhouettes in the background are other Yorha android models we fight as bosses.

[Alexandre_Noireau]

Or better yet.. would it make sense to see Space Marine Power Armour and Bolters and chainswords being worn by the Garleans? They have tech to make armoured suits already.. so what's the the problem? The problem would be aesthetics. It wouldn't look like it's something the Garleans would make, it would look like it's ripped out of another world and they would stand out like a sore thumb every time you saw them because their look doesn't fit what the world presents as it's look

[Arkdra]

Only.. it does work as a comparison.
They're both horses, they don't fly or talk, they can both be ridden and would serve as a horse in every way.. but injecting an art style that isn't in line with what the game shows thus far would be out of place. That is the point.

(from my addition that you just missed)
Or better yet.. would it make sense to see Space Marine Power Armour and Bolters and chainswords being worn by the Garleans? They have tech to make armoured suits already.. so what's the the problem? The problem would be aesthetics. It wouldn't look like it's something the Garleans would make, it would look like it's ripped out of another world and they would stand out like a sore thumb every time you saw them because their look doesn't fit what the world presents as it's look

As for already having the aesthetic.. no, we don't. Clothes are clothes, but something like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWeOs7wpu70&vl=en is not a look of any of the tech styles within the game share.

Oh you mean like this literal dude in Power Armor with a chainsword that works for the Garleans was in the MSQ, and is LITERALLY A REFERENCE TO AN INCREDIBLY BAD COMIC ABOUT DOOM THE VIDEO GAME?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp7UqAZvctE

Are you going to sit here and tell me that DOOM of all things is somehow more in lore than Nier? Or are you going to tell me that this fight didn't completely rule? Because it completely ruled and I laughed my head off when he shrieked RIP AND TERROR. And it was also a sad example of the lengths the Garleans will go.

Also opera robot is very easily just prototype mech tech the Allagans or garleans are using. Take your pick. A similar robot with that jank design could be made out of the Omni model with an upsized high-house bussle without issue and fit into the lore with virtually zero effort.

[frostmagemari]

Oh you mean like this literal dude in Power Armor with a chainsword that works for the Garleans was in the MSQ, and is LITERALLY A REFERENCE TO AN INCREDIBLY BAD COMIC ABOUT DOOM THE VIDEO GAME?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp7UqAZvctE

Are you going to sit here and tell me that DOOM of all things is somehow more in lore than Nier? Or are you going to tell me that this fight didn't completely rule? Because it completely ruled and I laughed my head off when he shrieked RIP AND TERROR. And it was also a sad example of the lengths the Garleans will go.

Nothing in that fight was ripped from another series and plopped down into XIV, it also isn't the focus of one of the two raid experiences released through the course of an expansion. The character is wearing 70% of the Garlean armour we have seen him with for the majority of the MSQ he was involved in. He does have the addition of the tanks and a large chain broadsword (which looks nothing like an adeptus astartes chainsword), but none of that is just taken from another series; but it still fits the aesthetics of the game, since it's obvious Garlean tech grafted to him.

I am talking about picking something up from one game where it's aesthetic is noticeably different from what it's being set into; and if the Adeptus Astartes with their Bolters and their Chainswords were set into the game with little to no alteration, they would look out of place.

Also opera robot is very easily just prototype mech tech the Allagans or garleans are using. Take your pick. A similar robot with that jank design could be made out of the Omni model with an upsized high-house bussle without issue and fit into the lore with virtually zero effort

Except you're literally trying to make up excuses for it right now for why it should be allowed to look different than the current tech aesthetics we have now in xiv.

[Rowde]

Oh you mean like this literal dude in Power Armor with a chainsword that works for the Garleans was in the MSQ, and is LITERALLY A REFERENCE TO AN INCREDIBLY BAD COMIC ABOUT DOOM THE VIDEO GAME?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp7UqAZvctE

Are you going to sit here and tell me that DOOM of all things is somehow more in lore than Nier? Or are you going to tell me that this fight didn't completely rule? Because it completely ruled and I laughed my head off when he shrieked RIP AND TERROR. And it was also a sad example of the lengths the Garleans will go.

Also opera robot is very easily just prototype mech tech the Allagans or garleans are using. Take your pick. A similar robot with that jank design could be made out of the Omni model with an upsized high-house bussle without issue and fit into the lore with virtually zero effort.

@frostmagemari
Yeah I didn't miss that, the post was edited while I was replying to it, but at any rate I was gonna run out and find pics of Hypertuned Grynewaht as well but Arkdra beat me to it. Dude is just a few more armor pieces away from being just what you described.


Honestly if you consider the appearance of enemies as they appear in the majority of MSQ dungeons, nothing from Nier would look anymore out of place than Phlegethon, Scylla, Amon, Xande from the CT series of raids. I give Mhach a big pass because they're all Voidsent for the most part and IMO Ivalice was directly incorporated into the lore of FFXIV now and most of them can be passed off as "Primals" which can be anything the summoner imagines. Sigmascape and Deltascape though...

For me the only boss enemy that I feel looks completely out of place in the entirety of MSQ is Number XXIV in Castrum Abania, but I personally give that a big pass because of my own FFVI nostalgia. But when I really really really think about it, he incorporates absolutely nothing of the established FFXIV Garlean aesthetic and sticks out like a sore thumb as a boss in a Garlean facility. I love it anyway though since I recognized as I was going through the area that they were going for a re-imagining of the Magitek Research Facility from FFVI.