To those who say BLU should be Limited yet want Male Viera

[purgatori]

I'm really not seeing how these things are limited. BLU is limited for gameplay reasons (though possibly not good gameplay reasons). Viera might be gender-locked for lore and/or customisation reasons.

[MagiusNecros]

I'm really not seeing how these things are limited. BLU is limited for gameplay reasons (though possibly not good gameplay reasons). Viera might be gender-locked for lore and/or customisation reasons.

PS4 limitations clearly.

[briarth0rn]

The difference between these two things is that for now, it's reasonable to expect male viera eventually (and by eventually, I mean a few weeks at the next fanfest), but BLU is always going to be limited in some way.

[GenericMagus]

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Having a skill learning system and being unlimited are not mutually exclusive things. You can still have both, and that's what people are finding as BLU is balanced for a level 50 job, with White Wind and Mighty Guard.

None of the skills work on bosses that are instant death, or percentage damage. We already know about the CC immunity almost everything has or getting, meaning a lot of the combos that BLU has are downright useless. Elemental weaknesses don't matter outside of Carnival but even then they never mattered at all, it's that easy.

Tell me, does BLM/SMN/RDM all play the same? Or do theh all have different game play? Maybe we shouldn't have Gunbreaker because then we'd have Generic Tank 4. BLU right now is upkeeping a DoT, using oGCDs and spamming a 130 potency move of your choice. So in the system we already have, BLU has become a generic caster in terms of rotation.

SE can do so many things yet they cut corners so hard it's making a circle.

And also I am greatly disappointed in SE not showing Male Viera. Sure, it doesn't affect me, but people have wanted it so much only for the devs to backhand them and I do support Male Viera being in the game, maybe I wasn't clear enough in the OP.

What I can't stand is people wondering why they're getting affected while also justifying one type of content to be limited. I even said this in OP, ask for content or everyone, not for some and restrict others. If you gladly want BLU to be Limited, yet want an already established race, with established Lore, that they have to go through hoops to bring in, and not to mention how they can simply get denied showing Male Viera in order to keep to the integrity of the race of previous games from previous creaters (even companies have to deal with their own inter-house copyright), then you forget the irony of your words. Funny how people are claiming vindictive, while spewing vitriol themselves.

P.S Also we all pay for our jobs with our sub, it's not a simple "Oh change your job if don't like it" then why even have new jobs? Lets get rid of Gunbreaker then, it's clearly not needed.

[GenericMagus]

Also trying to justify why they can and should be implemented and how is just like what BLU has been doing, trying to get their game play unlimited the same way people have also been wanting Male Viera.

This isn't about a total comparison of BLU = Male Viera but speaking out against those who will happily leave a FF staple job to die while try to force a heavily lore impeded race and gender from being in the game. If SE was to make another race like before, then it wouldn't be Viera that people wanted then.

[Lambdafish]

Also trying to justify why they can and should be implemented and how is just like what BLU has been doing, trying to get their game play unlimited the same way people have also been wanting Male Viera.

This isn't about a total comparison of BLU = Male Viera but speaking out against those who will happily leave a FF staple job to die while try to force a heavily lore impeded race and gender from being in the game. If SE was to make another race like before, then it wouldn't be Viera that people wanted then.

It's almost like people have different opinion on what BLU is how it should be implemented on a fundamental level. I know BLU is flawed and needs more QoL and content to keep it relevant, but I would never want it to be the same as other jobs, others have different opinions and completely disagree. Male viera is just an aesthetic choice, there's no gameplay difference. You are better off comparing it to how they decided to present the BLU AF gear than anything else.

[GenericMagus]

It's almost like people have different opinion on what BLU is how it should be implemented on a fundamental level. I know BLU is flawed and needs more QoL and content to keep it relevant, but I would never want it to be the same as other jobs, others have different opinions and completely disagree. Male viera is just an aesthetic choice, there's no gameplay difference. You are better off comparing it to how they decided to present the BLU AF gear than anything else.

Yes I am aware even when I first made this thread, that BLU and Male Viera are 2 different issues, but what I wanted to focus on is the community justifying why one should be Limited and why the other shouldn't. Both Limited in different ways by 2 aspects of the game and both affecting different parts, but nevertheless still Limited.

Nothing in this game should be Limited, everything should be equal opportunity for everyone. A Limited job means more limited jobs in future.

I'm pointing out the community being apathetic to one, while wondering why they're the ones being affected. That's my point, what I'm getting at.

[Kogekigami]

But there are two different things

Though no where have they said Veira is gender locked but have only shown female models. This could be for multiple reasons and one of those is gender locked. I think people need to wait for Tokyo fanfest/Benchmark before throwing a fit. But I will go along with it to explain why your comparison of the two is silly.

Blu being limited is due to several reasons that the team went over in the american fanfest. 1. due to how blu works Yoshi was worried about people being harassed for not having 'meta' layout. We have long suffered the healer dps rants to know it is a valid concern. 2. Blu making fights hard to balance/ having to go back and re-balance old content around Blu.

So lets take a primal fight. The team designs those with the ideas of party comps and gear. Hence why people can now solo nuke garuda ex but need a team for current primals. This is why jobs gets tweaked and re balanced throughout the game as if there is a clear unbalance or a job is struggling they rework it. Hence why Paladin got a big rework into storm blood as during heavensward it was extremely behind the other two tanks. Its why Bard changed because a lot of people hated the Bow casting. Which with recent content heavensward bard would not work.

Viera are a race. This has very little impact on your game bar a gear set (racial starting set) Some glamour items, some hairstyles and a few lines from npcs. This is why people are more upset about possible Viera gender lock as there is not really a reason for them to be. It has zero high impact effect on content. Unlike say blu which does.

[GenericMagus]

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You're missing the point of what I'm saying.

But to say it, there will always be a "meta" build/rotation/stats/gear. It's inevitible. People already get harassed for not having right stats, not being fully geared but meeting ilv, not pushing out enough DPS. Let people take responsibility for once instead of having SE be a nanny to everyone.

BLU is balanced in fights, when fully geared they have fantastic burst AoE, but middling single target. A lot of their truly broken stuff (Missile, Doom, Tail Screw) are unusable in almost every important fight. The only game breaking thing BLU has is 1000 Needles pre-40, but that's it. RDM breaks the game far harder than BLU at 50 because of its sheer potency strength, should they be balanced around old content then? BLU has been balanced, like a level 50 Job compared to everyone else, and the most broken thing about them is White Wind spam, but even then that's tied to HP and even with Mighty Guard an EX Primal can just tank buster you and you can't live.

Aesthetics is just as important to the game as game play is. FFXIV wouldn't have the same impact if everything had RuneScape graphics (2006 even). They still have a similar logic to why they should be limited (in adhearance to Lore and no Male Viera been seen ever).

But this thread is about the criticism of the community and its reactions, stop going "lol your argument doesn't matter because 2 differenr things." What if DRK suddenly became limited, became a DPS with HP draining Darkside and what not? A limited SMN that can summon any Primal like Demi-Bahamut? Or does Gunbreaker should of be revealed to be limited for people to listen to what I'm saying instead of circle around the same thing?

[Skeith9]

What a great and accurate comparison. No false equivalency at all. Such academic!