Lock Out Bad Players from PF/DF?

[Joe_Schmoe]

A copy, paste, and polish from a related thread made about a year ago:

I wouldn't like it. Why?

• Lack of diversity. It's not that I like running with bad players, but one of the reasons I like random stuff is the wide variety of different types of people you get. Running with the same (type of) people every time, all the time, would get boring fast.

• Reeks too much of apartheid/segregation. This sounds too much like forcing bad players to "sit in the back of the bus", keeping them from associating with anyone else at all. God help the Bads and Mediocres if one could find their rank just by examining them. They'd all be shunned by the FF community, big time.

• Doesn't improve anybody. Bad players won't get any better if they run with other bad players. It'd be like the blind leading the blind. They need to run with players better than themselves so they can see/be taught how to improve. Presumably this was why the mentor system was put in place (although me, I think it's redundant though).

[Alexandre_Noireau]

Can i get a version of this game that updates every 3 months but is like a single player RPG. Maybe make it so is an action combat RPG with a party of 4 customizable storyline related characters. Or maybe even randoms. Yeah, like squadrons but for the whole game. For everything.

Maybe give it a GM mode. And turn the servers to allow for CO-OP mode Multiplayer Mode for up to 8 players. Yeah.

Scrap it SE.

[LalaRu]

Little edit: someone got that seriously, but image is a joke to the "purge the casuals" meme.

[NanaWiloh]

[Taebok]

I remember a time threads like this were an insta-delete and the poster banned.
FFXIV isn't becoming like WoW at all.

[Nyvara]

I remember a time threads like this were an insta-delete and the poster banned.
FFXIV isn't becoming like WoW at all.

Do we even have mods?

[InkstainedGwyn]

Do we even have mods?

They're too busy moving the constant BLU whine threads, or deleting threads like the one about the lala who was obsessed with being banned (until they got banned and were going to sue because of it.)

[Vnolan]

• Lack of diversity. It's not that I like running with bad players, but one of the reasons I like random stuff is the wide variety of different types of people you get. Running with the same (type of) people every time, all the time, would get boring fast.

You know what this dungeon needs to be interesting? It needs to be identical but take twice as long.

God help the Bads and Mediocres if one could find their rank just by examining them.

You can already do this. Shire gear with one ring of a different main stat = jump potion/ extremely high chance of being bad. Can toss in PotD/HoH weapons, tanks with non-STR melds (not to be confused with no melds) in their accs and gear ilvls (Tank with Bismark weapon in Sirensong Sea ain't going to wow you). For DPS, you'll find out on the first trash pull if they know basic math.

They'd all be shunned by the FF community, big time.

Maybe they should be.
"I just bought a jump potion. I could spend a few minutes to learn the basics of the game and my job. Nah, I'll queue into high-level content right away and burden the rest of the party."
"I (a DPS) am being given tips to do more Damage Per Second in simple terms, but I feel I'm doing well as is. I could ignore the tips or look into them later. Nah, I'll argue that all this time billions of people have been doing math incorrectly."
"This EX queue is taking a while. I could watch a guide in the meantime. Nah, I'll have the party wait around and get someone to explain it to me once we get in."

Bad players won't get any better if they run with other bad players.

They'll want to improve real quick once their dailies start taking much longer and in extreme cases won't even be completed before the instance timer expires.

They need to run with players better than themselves so they can see/be taught how to improve.

"But I like having TP."
"And waste all that TP?"
"Spread Shot? That weak move?"
"So and so Discord said Death Blossom is only a gain at 5+ mobs"
From four different DPS. All serious, all 60+ when told how to AoE. Then you have the DRG in O10N cursing me when I told them to read a guide for their job (they didn't use their Chaos Thrust combo once the entire run), being called elitist for pointing out the MNK in the lvl 69 dungeon should read a guide since they weren't using AoE, Dragon Kick or Demolish and the scores who will just ignore the tips. Bads going to bad.

Presumably this was why the mentor system was put in place (although me, I think it's redundant though).

Mentor system was put in place because SE couldn't bother to put in a proper learning system, so they had their paying customers work for them for free (unless you count the crown as payment), and as they say, you get what you pay for.

You can't just lock people out of DF because it's required to progress through the game.

You can't queue into dungeons if you don't meet the level requirement.

How do you tell if someone's having an off day or if their bad performance is normal?

Math doesn't change because someone is having an off day. Attacking eight enemies over one will always do more and in some cases requires fewer skills to be used (Scatter/Death Blossom/Doom Spike/Spread Shot/Quick Nock spam)

I"m normally pretty good at mist draogn but because I was tired, I spaced out and stood in an aoe and died. How do you determine that from someone's normal play? Or what if someone legit has a lag spike etc?

No one cares about players messing up mechanics unless it's causing multiple wipes. Talking about tanks that don't know to use their group hate moves at 60 and 70, ilvl-synced healers complaining about the ilvl-synced tank pulling big when they were either AFKing or spamming the same weak heal on small pulls, DPS that attack one target instead of all when 6,7,8,9,10 or even more targets are present.

If you run into someone who is playing terribly, you have a recourse for that. Vote kick them. That is part of the reason the system exists.

Bingo. Kick, kick, kick. You don't even need to explain why you're kicking. Do note that if you initiate a vote kick and the dismissal goes through, you have to wait 4 hours before you can initiate another.

There also isn't a way to really enforce this.

This is topic #564759423 about the average player being bad and asking the Devs to do something. Don't know why users continue to take topics like these at face value.

Do we even have mods?

GMs moderate the forums.

I remember a time threads like this were an insta-delete and the poster banned.
FFXIV isn't becoming like WoW at all.

So because you are unable to ignore the topic or further discussion on it, it should be removed?

[Alaray]

Complaining about DF groups is silly, just find people to do your expert with.

Complaining about weekly Savage PF clears... just make your own party finder, lay out the expectations and kick as you feel appropriate.

Stone Sea and Sky exists, but it's optional and doesn't teach you anything other than: Are you pushing your buttons Good.

Doesn't teach you CD usage. Doesn't teach you positioning. Doesn't teach you to use your utility.

So, you'll still get the same parties anyway. Just with more of a hassle added to it.

Sidenote: I love running Orbonne Monastery when everyone is clueless.
Sidenote: I only did LFR content in WoW to watch the fire.

I'd be sad if I couldn't spectate the utter messes that can happen. They make me feel a l i v e.

[dotsforlife]

I just vote kick healers that don't dps. Might as well be afk. Just bear with it for 5 minutes.

Honestly the one "tutorial" system (if you can honestly call it that really...) is Hall of Novice and that's not even enforced onto players, nor do most know of it. If you want the playerbase to be better ask SE to implement a better learning system into this game. Lord knows no one actually reads those skill descriptions. Or you know, educate them yourself.